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So, staying away from contentious points, what do you envisage in Gaza in 12-24 months time? Is this a question you can answer? if not no worries.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 3 2026 11:35am

Yes, it is a question I can answer, because thinking about the day after is just as critical as the military operation itself.
In the next 12 to 24 months, I envisage Gaza transitioning from an active war zone into a security stabilization and reconstruction phase, similar to post-ISIS Mosul or post-WWII Germany. It breaks down into three core pillars:

1.The IDF will maintain overarching security control and freedom of action to prevent re emergence. There cannot be a return to a reality where a terror group holds a sovereign border or builds rocket factories. Future threats will be dealt with via targeted, localized counter-terrorism raids, not wide-scale bombing campaigns.

2.Hamas can have no role in the future of Gaza. Local administration must transition to non-aligned Palestinian civic leaders, technocrats, and regional Arab partners who are invested in stability and stopping the spread of Iranian-backed radicalism. They will manage aid, municipal services, and daily life without using the population as human shields.

3.International funds will flow in for physical reconstruction, but it must be strictly tied to systemic change. The education system must be completely overhauled to remove decades of genocidal incitement. True economic development can only begin when the governing authority is focused on building a future rather than destroying its neighbor.
This window will be difficult and fragile, but it is the only viable pathway. Stopping short and leaving Hamas intact guarantees that the next generation of Gazans and Israelis will be trapped in the exact same war a few years from now.

It’s ironic that you accuse me of strawmanning, because your entire response is a textbook exercise in it. You are ignoring the core strategic and legal arguments I laid out, and instead throwing a chaotic laundry list of unverified social media headlines and severe accusations at me to see what sticks.
Let’s address your claim that the issue is 'how' the war is fought rather than 'if.' You list off a series of highly contested, heavily propagandized allegations such as 'using food lines as target practice' or 'purposely restricting food' and state them as absolute facts. In reality, Israel has facilitated the entry of hundreds of thousands of tons of aid, which is routinely hijacked by Hamas gunmen to sustain their tunnels, while the IDF operates under a stricter set of rules of engagement in a dense urban environment than almost any modern military in history. When errors or misconduct happen as they tragically do in every war they are investigated internally by Israel's independent legal system.
You bring up white phosphorus in Lebanon. Let's be precise: white phosphorus is not illegal under international law when used for smoke-screening or signaling. Its use only becomes a violation if deliberately weaponized against civilians. Repeating internet buzzwords doesn't magically turn a standard military tactic into a war crime just because Israel is the one doing it.
Finally, your claim that Israelis 'never argue the actual things they do' and just scream 'antisemitism' is flat-out false. I didn't mention antisemitism once in my previous post; I did mention it before when it really was antisemitism

I talked about logistics, international law, the Allies in WWII, and the mechanics of neutralizing an asymmetric threat. You are the one who is uncomfortable with that broad conversation because it exposes the strategic impossibility of what you are demanding. You want Israel to fight a pristine, bloodless war against an enemy that hides under hospitals and schools, and when that proves impossible, you label the democracy barbaric and ignore the jihadists who engineered the nightmare in the first place.

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To say Israel 'forced' Hamas to execute October 7th is the ultimate form of victim-blaming. No one 'forces' an organization to send death squads across a border to systematically slaughter families in their beds, rape women, and kidnap toddlers. That wasn't a spontaneous reaction to a political stalemate; it was the deliberate execution of Hamas's foundational charter, which explicitly calls for the genocide of Jews.

You say Hamas’s 'attempts at negotiations' were ignored. This is a complete inversion of history. In 2005, Israel completely dismantled every single settlement in Gaza, pulled out every soldier, and left the entire strip to the Palestinians. Instead of building a thriving, independent society, the population elected Hamas, which immediately threw its political rivals off roofs, launched a civil war, and turned Gaza into a fortress for radical Islam. Every restriction or blockade placed on Gaza after that was a direct response to Hamas firing thousands of unprovoked rockets at Israeli cities and smuggling Iranian weapons. The blockade was a defensive boundary, not an instigation.
Furthermore, trying to compare this to Ukraine is completely upside down. Ukraine is a sovereign democracy that never fired a single rocket into Russia or called for Russia's total annihilation. Israel, like Ukraine, was the sovereign democracy that woke up to an unprovoked, massive invasion across an internationally recognized border.
The war didn't start on October 7th because Israel wanted it; it started because for decades, Israel tried to manage and contain a genocidal proxy on its border rather than eliminate it. October 7th proved that containment failed. You can try to rewrite history to turn a ISIS-style terror organization into a victim, but the world saw exactly who crossed the border to start this war, and no amount of gaslighting changes that reality.

This post was edited by Many_Names on Jun 3 2026 01:46pm

how is this a inversion? U.S. Stance: The United States and Israel both classified Hamas as a Foreign Terrorist Organization. Consequently, formal bilateral negotiations and direct diplomacy were generally avoided.... To claim one is a terrorist while you just take over a country claiming you have a right to all they own is beyond ridiculous..

As far as Russia and Ukraine...For eight years (2014–2022), intense trench warfare and artillery exchanges divided both regions. Roughly one-third of the Donbas (including the major cities of Donetsk and Luhansk) fell under proxy separatist control, while the Ukrainian government controlled the remaining two-thirds ..they were bombing Russians , banning Russian language, building a actual self proclaiming nazi army on the border of Russia.. So yes like I said provoked to war and then act surprised when you know you started it!!!!

So I point out the similarities of the 2 wars...

Your proposal looks a lot like the pre-2005 security arrangement. If that framework failed then, why would it succeed now after twenty more years of conflict, after Oct 7th, after 2 years of bombing? Setting morality aside, your plan only works if Israel is willing to police Gaza, shape governance, oversee reconstruction, and revisit the relationship with the Palestinians, while remaining deeply involved for years to come. I don’t believe Israel is willing to do that, I mean, revisit the relationship with Palestinains? that is a hard no right ? which is why I don’t think the plan is viable.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 3 2026 03:55pm

this. October 7th argument is like starting a netflix series from the final season. before october 7th palestinians were already being treated like second class citizens. Israel controlled the only flow of fresh water and that was being turned off regularly for palestinians not to mention israel has been steadily land grabbing palestinian land since its formation. It's black and white anyone with an iq above room temp can see whats actually going on. Break out of you hamster wheel.

This post was edited by patriot_one on Jun 3 2026 06:22pm

Before 2005, Israel maintained permanent civilian settlements inside the Gaza Strip, requiring a massive, static military presence to protect specific enclaves. What I am describing is the post-ISIS Mosul or post-WWII model: no civilian settlements, no permanent military administration governing daily life, but complete security freedom of action to enter, neutralize a cell, and leave.
You ask why this would succeed now when containment failed before. The answer is simple: Containment is what failed. For twenty years, the international community forced Israel to accept a 'quiet for quiet' status quo, letting Hamas build a massive state sponsored military fortress on our border. October 7th proved that containment is a fatal delusion. The baseline has completely shifted; the Israeli public and military now understand that total security control is an absolute prerequisite for survival. It’s not about a lack of 'willingness' to police Gaza it is an existential necessity.
Furthermore, you claim Israel won't 'revisit the relationship with the Palestinians.' Israel has repeatedly shown it is willing to forge new regional realities, as it did with the Abraham Accords. The barrier to changing the relationship has never been Israeli willingness; it has been the absolute refusal of Palestinian leadership to accept a Jewish state in any borders.
Israel does not want to run Gaza's schools, pave its roads, or manage its hospitals. That is exactly why my plan relies on non Hamas civilian technocrats and regional Arab partners to handle governance and reconstruction. But Israel will absolutely maintain the keys to the security border. We tried outsourcing our security to international frameworks and walls; it led to the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust. We are never doing it again