I spent years in the midst of the theological debate at the exact time atheism became something you could admit to without instantly destroying your life. I know very well the claims of christianity. I also know that nothing you just said has absolutely anything to do with the fact that there is absolutely no contemporary evidence for the christian entity jesus.

yes there is, the issue is with your perception and confirmation bias issues that muddy your vision
the shroud of turin is one of many examples, but the examples you're looking for aren't appropriate when youre perceiving the concept of the creator and or the creator of the soul.

these examples would be empirical in nature and reflect the divinity of said creator, - as seen in the likeness of: natural lightning, human veins, tree roots or leaf veins, and various other micro/macro blood slide kirlian photography etc. That kind of patterning in likeness is a direct reflection of intelligent design & is mathematically reasonable and plausibly attributed to said god. Even the nabiogenesis mathematicians know plausibility of jesus is astronomically more likely than not if jesus was the creator. however,

the key to discern beyond that is intent. The story of jesus is one thing, the actuality of him is another. Discern those and you're going to find that "god" or specifically the creator of the soul is somehow missing. thats a serious problem that foretellings of the 2nd coming couldnt satisfy until actualized or manifested, and still...that's not a reasonable thing to worship in.

hold your belief systems to the same scrutiny lest you be a shill imo.

No there isn't, and clearly you're projecting your own flaws onto me.



An artifact that has never been subjected to testing outside of the biased labs of the church is not evidence of anything.



Nothing you've said here is evidence of anything. Intelligent design is a disproved hypothesis. Even the church itself has acknowledged as much. I'd really recommend getting off the ID train. It crashed spectacularly 20 odd years ago within days of being proposed and will never run again. The bright side is you don't need it. Evolution is not incompatible with christianity. If the christian god is real, it created humans through billions of years of evolution. Which is much more incredible than making people out of dirt anyway.



I hold everything to scrutiny, which is exactly why I've discarded all religions. None of them hold up to scrutiny. I don't have a belief system. I have some beliefs but I came to them on my own. And they are all subject to change if evidence contradicts them.

/inset No in front of anything. cringe, chat gpt troll?

you haven't disproved abio backed intelligent design, even the most plausible idea is subject to falsification, thats the burden of not being omnipotent and all knowing.
You should try going to any higher level school and maybe pay attention in foundations studies specifically w/ regard to adler's theories, then you might sound more human instead of coming at everything possessed w/ the "God of ' denial' " cynicism.

science was grounded in tinkering w/ 1% possibility, not lobbying to justify the 99% it doesn't, thats called scientism. thats what you represent w/ / insert No.

likewise your separation anxiety from your own futile belief system is merely an expression or bipoduct of your undeveloped mathematical side or grey matter, unfortunately.
probably because you were a slacker in your early years? good news is you can always join the pride parade and start juggling w/ that pink scarf, i heard its good for growing brain cells!

More projecting.
More denial of proven fact.
You should go to any school because aside from ID all your thoughts are centuries out of date.
A demonstration of your ignorance of science.
And closing with more projection with a touch of ad hominem for icing.

Typical theist drivel.

/insert vague character attacks from learned behaviors of other users
/lack detail
/never address your own displaced sentiment.
/no positive argument
lmk chatgpt/11

This post was edited by lodd222 on Jul 13 2023 02:56pm

Continues projecting.
Continues denial of proven fact.
Doesn't take his own advice.
No argument at all.
And just straight up ad hominem to conclude.

This guy is basically a perfect representative for the average American christian.

confirmed chat gpt troll.

Confirmed typical uneducated theist.

/chat gpt troll has persecution fetish as well.