its no surprise a descendant of surrending, pro-national socialists is critical of someone who does not like anti-semites. ever gonna swap back or is this your final form?

It's true you are always coming back in this subject.
I didnt checked the details of this story but till it concern -Israel far right gov or Excessive communautarism (lobbies)- im fine with it.

This is pretty decent;
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-islam-jewish-antisemitism-israel-labour-party-margaret-thatcher-a8494796.html

And if he met muslims extremists -to know better how they work and who they are- it can be justified, but it may not serve well his reputation thats sure.





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This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Aug 24 2018 05:37pm

I'm coming back to the subject because it's a big deal if the leader of the opposition, and potential future PM, is a racist.

He's not, he's stating that any type of representation of the history of Israel and Palestine is being scrutinized vigorously afterwards, if the narrative doesn't fit some preconceived Jewish Zionist assumptions.
We've seen similar situations here: If our Israel reporter wasn't pro Israel enough, ppl did their best to scrutinize him/her to get the reporter fired. Our NOS Falafel item would be a good example if ppl want to google.

Seeing the same type of push back in this vid, throwing it onto anti-semitism and anti jew, without debating what those perceived historical differences would be, is race bating, and a bit dumb.

If only you would have been as critical of Boris as you are of Corbyn, I might believe your underlying fear for racism from PM's.

This post was edited by Knoppie on Aug 25 2018 06:16am

I despise Boris Johnson and have argued against a burqa ban several times. You need to read posts more carefully before you make those assertions.

Well, you never mentioned Boris to be a racist, you're not compiling a database with possible dubious quotes from 10 years ago until now. Sorry but I'm not really impressed, seeing a bit of a double standard here in criticizing possible racist PMs.

But oh well.. I'll give ya the benefit of the doubt, will keep this in mind with the next post you make about Corbyn, whom is pro Palestines, to look like an anti-semite.. Shouldn't be difficult

This post was edited by Knoppie on Aug 25 2018 07:00am

Describing people as Zionists who should know better because 'they've lived here for most or all of their lives' is blatantly targeting British Jews. You just wouldn't say that in reference to White British Zionists. It's not simply conflating being pro Palestinian with anti-semitism, which is the main defence used by Corbyn cultists and yourself.

The double standard is many left wingers claiming to support minorities against bigotry and racism yet defending clear anti-semitic dog whistles from Corbyn and others in the Labour party.

Describing the specific ppl who opposed Palestinian history and Palestinian rights today, as portrayed by the speaker during that time, might very well be British Zionist, giving individuals that label kinda depends on what they were arguing about, 6 years ago.. I can understand ppl easily taking it out of context and see it as representing the entire Jewish British group. But that does not seem to be the case. Not every British Jew is a Zionist, and those that spoke out do not represent the entire group.

If this again puts my line of thought in the Corbyn cultists group, then I'd say they have a point. You've introduced me to Corbyn, didn't know nothing about him, and were he are, with me finding it refreshing that a politician is trying to see the world through a Palestinian perspective as well.

I don't know why you've added white in that post. Seems a bit racist.. ^

This post was edited by Knoppie on Aug 25 2018 10:34am

and i think it's just a pretty obvious deflection. the good old 'i'm not racist, you are!'. i mean, what possible reason could 'the left' have to support an anti-semite? what do you think their problem with jews is? why do they hate them? that just doesn't add up...

the reluctance to criticise israel over their treatment of palestine amongst establishment parties in europe is high though, almost no one dares to touch that because they are immediately labeled anti-semitic for it, so i guess it kind of works...

It seems a bit fair to do within our society. There is still to much antisemitism in Europe and idiots being embolded by parties being pro Palestine, with obviously translates to: being critical of the state of Israel as it is. Is a problem for minorities within our society.
Inclusion of Palestinians there also means inclusion of Jews here, meaning that a lot of effort needs to be taken to root out the ppl who are emboldened by antisemitic ideals within the party. From what I'm seeing that is happening in the UK and in the time we live in, I'm happy that it is being done.

Ideally we'd go to a future where being critical of the state of human rights, does not spur racism. But avoiding the discussion at all, is even worse.

This post was edited by Knoppie on Aug 25 2018 11:54am