and every 200k$ tunnel will still bring through a few million in drug money per day until they dig another. along with illegals.

its a 33 billion dollar monument to Hillary Clinton's loss, thats all it ever has been and all it ever will be.

>Trump will never be elected
>Trump will never get antthing done
*current year*
>Trump will never erect a wall that ends illegal immigration
>Trump will never cleanse California of spicAIDS

if you believe a wall will end illegal immigration you're less intelligent than anyone could have even guessed. except for maybe me.

invest those 33 billion into personnel and technology alone and let the wall idea rest in piece
its just an object that will be subject to destruction, the next cartel nutjob will blow up an entire section

thousands of extra officers patrolling with the support of drones and other technology though sound like a decent plan

people making fun of the wall seem to forget that the current state of the us-mexican is insufferable and needs to be fixed



you wont find many people to say that it would end illegal migration

however, as bad as i personally think the idea is (see above), a physical barrier like that would prevent lots of people from coming in any event
you cant deny that

This post was edited by ampoo on Jan 9 2018 05:20pm

If only we had another country to compare it too... like Israel or Poland or Hungary...

Your Trump Derangement Syndrome is bad

ending illegal immigration is a two pronged problem. A wall is the most practical method to stop people from crossing the border, but to tighten up the enforcement on those who enter the country legally and then overstay, hide or have their deportations officially or unofficially deferred- that requires hardened cultural attitudes. We could do that any time, but look at the DACA debate in washington right now, as two sides debate what kind of amnesty is acceptable, not how to load them back up on trucks. Because Americans don't support that level of aggressive enforcement that is necessary, but they do support a wall. So a wall remains the best solution to at least part of the problem.

As far as effectiveness, a wall with modern technology, a moderate patrol presence, coordinated response teams based on passive surveillance, counter-countermeasures like the famed Israeli anti-tunneling systems, maybe some drones thrown into the mix- that's the most practical method of stopping illegal border crossings and there's no reason to think it wouldn't be extremely effective at it. The scale required is large and ambitious, but its within the practical scope and not some unprecedented megaproject. Its not much more than a pipeline, and the political, enivronmental, private ownership, cost/benefit concerns are far bigger issues than whether it can be done.

There def are cheaper ways, but it would overwhelmingly work

walls aren't remotely as expensive as manning them. Prefab concrete slabs stuck in ditches with passive surveillance so sparse response teams can intercept attempts to compromise the wall at the wall- that's actually a lot cheaper than the kind of border enforcement we'd need with conventional methods to search out and intercept border crossers. Even the ideas like passive surveillance without any barrier, I can't see how they're supposed to be effective if someone can just stroll right through and you need far more manpower and rapid responses to find them. People are the main cost, you need to pay them, you need to train them, you need to pay their healthcare, their pensions when they retire. Concrete is cheap, digging trenches is cheap, passive mass surveillance is cheap.

well, we're talking about a group of people who are not to blame for being in the country illegally. and who grew up and were educated and socialized in america. realistically, the dreamers are one of the few groups of illegal immigrants whose presence is a net positive for the country. I'm totally against granting them a path to citizenship, and I'm absolutely for the deportation of any dreamer who committed a felony. And I'm for making clear that there wont be a 2nd amnesty. And for allowing absolutely no family reunion chain immigration.

But with all those conditions, I'm in favour of granting the law-abiding dreamers a permanent residency permit.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 10 2018 10:38am

a good step would be to get rid of this word abomination "dreamer", that only has the purpose to trigger emotions