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Nov 9 2021 07:58pm
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That doesnt prove Chauvin wasnt using drugs?
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We know there might have been drug complications with Floyd.
Chauvin killed him though, straight up.
I actually thought long and hard about this one during the trial and as much as I liked the defense's case I couldn't get behind it at the end of it.

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Not an unreasonable position to take. If you've seen the full bodycam videos (even the Jury said it's what convinced them), it's horrendous to watch.
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Nov 9 2021 08:04pm
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Not an unreasonable position to take. If you've seen the full bodycam videos (even the Jury said it's what convinced them), it's horrendous to watch.


In the defenses position to persuade me that he didn't kill him, I wasn't persuaded even though I tried my best to understand it.
That's the best I could do, and mentally sentenced him guilty.
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Nov 9 2021 08:09pm
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I don't even know why I'm replying. I don't even care that three people I don't know died haha


Correction: 2 communists died. One had their bicep blown off. He's not quite the Kenosha Hat Trick Kid. More the Kenosha two and a half kid. ;)
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Quote (lolkggz @ Nov 9 2021 05:54pm)
We know there might have been drug complications with Floyd.
Chauvin killed him though, straight up.
I actually thought long and hard about this one during the trial and as much as I liked the defense's case I couldn't get behind it at the end of it.

Don't hate me


I didn't follow chauvin case at all could care less what happens to a piggy
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Nov 9 2021 09:09pm)
Correction: 2 communists died. One had their bicep blown off. He's not quite the Kenosha Hat Trick Kid. More the Kenosha two and a half kid. ;)


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Nov 10 2021 05:11am


quite clearly a state run conspiracy.

and this was under oath.

kek.

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Nov 10 2021 05:50am
Quote (lolkggz @ Nov 9 2021 07:54pm)
We know there might have been drug complications with Floyd.
Chauvin killed him though, straight up.
I actually thought long and hard about this one during the trial and as much as I liked the defense's case I couldn't get behind it at the end of it.

Don't hate me


There was zero physical evidence of any trauma to Floyd and the autopsy specifically ruled out every possible indicator- no skin bruising, no subdermal bruising, no petechial hemorrhaging, no damage to the windpipe or cracked bones or anything else. At the same time, every single imaginable indicator of a drug overdose was present- a far above lethal dose of fentanyl in his system, polysubstance abuse with meth and other drugs, extreme heart disease that showed he was teetering on death's door in such a way its almost a medical miracle he was still alive (90% blocked coronal artery, 3:1 left ventricular hypertrophy, 200% enlarged heartsize), the actual fentanyl-laced percocets he OD'd on were recovered partially digested from him spitting one out while handcuffed, and he was literally with his drug dealer who sold them to him and clearly drugged up throughout the day and had a history of overdosing to within an inch of dying just months earlier on the same drug. The facts in the case weren't just sufficient for reasonable doubt to cloud over, they were a sufficient preponderance of evidence to establish Chauvin didn't cause Floyd's death.

So the entire case boiled down to the jury being the prejudiced population of Minneapolis who only had to watch the videos repeatedly, have an emotional reaction, and then ignore any facts they heard during the trial. A very low bar for the prosecutors. It didn't matter if the charges didn't even make sense under the legal definitions, like second degree murder- they would have convicted him of sodomy and blasphemy if the prosecutors threw it in. For all the internets reaction to the Rittenhouse trial so far, lets remember that in polling and mock trials, 2/3 of all Kenosha residents were willing to convict Rittenhouse before a trial and 80% ignored everything at trial. People here might be reacting more to the case far more than the actual residents will. As the old adage goes, think of how dumb the average person is, then realize half are dumber than that, then realize that Hillcrest School in Kenosha has a 20% highschool graduation rate and 10% math proficiency rate

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There was zero physical evidence of any trauma to Floyd and the autopsy specifically ruled out every possible indicator- no skin bruising, no subdermal bruising, no petechial hemorrhaging, no damage to the windpipe or cracked bones or anything else. At the same time, every single imaginable indicator of a drug overdose was present- a far above lethal dose of fentanyl in his system, polysubstance abuse with meth and other drugs, extreme heart disease that showed he was teetering on death's door in such a way its almost a medical miracle he was still alive (90% blocked coronal artery, 3:1 left ventricular hypertrophy, 200% enlarged heartsize), the actual fentanyl-laced percocets he OD'd on were recovered partially digested from him spitting one out while handcuffed, and he was literally with his drug dealer who sold them to him and clearly drugged up throughout the day and had a history of overdosing to within an inch of dying just months earlier on the same drug. The facts in the case weren't just sufficient for reasonable doubt to cloud over, they were a sufficient preponderance of evidence to establish Chauvin didn't cause Floyd's death.

So the entire case boiled down to the jury being the prejudiced population of Minneapolis who only had to watch the videos repeatedly, have an emotional reaction, and then ignore any facts they heard during the trial. A very low bar for the prosecutors. It didn't matter if the charges didn't even make sense under the legal definitions, like second degree murder- they would have convicted him of sodomy and blasphemy if the prosecutors threw it in. For all the internets reaction to the Rittenhouse trial so far, lets remember that in polling and mock trials, 2/3 of all Kenosha residents were willing to convict Rittenhouse before a trial and 80% ignored everything at trial. People here might be reacting more to the case far more than the actual residents will. As the old adage goes, think of how dumb the average person is, then realize half are dumber than that, then realize that Hillcrest School in Kenosha has a 20% highschool graduation rate and 10% math proficiency rate



Agreed. When I hear people talking about Floyd I say the guy died because he was trying to avoid a charge by eating all his drugs and then fighting / not complying. And when people say I’m wrong, I tell them to take that much fentenal (dunno how to spell it) and lmk if they survive
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Agreed. When I hear people talking about Floyd I say the guy died because he was trying to avoid a charge by eating all his drugs and then fighting / not complying. And when people say I’m wrong, I tell them to take that much fentenal (dunno how to spell it) and lmk if they survive


They even were able to lay out exactly how he was on drugs 'normally' throughout the day, then swallowed the entire bag when he saw the cops in an attempt to destroy evidence, then spat out one or two into the squad car while his hands were cuffed. That's the only scenario that matches the witness testimony, video, evidence at the scene, and importantly the ratio of metabolized to unmetabolized fentanyl in his system. The prosecutors brought up that ratio by saying that the ratio wasn't normal for a drug overdose case, where there's not normally as much already metabolized. But they had no way to actually explain it, they presented it solely to confuse the jury and introduce doubt, because the standard of proof had been inverted and the prosecutors were kicking up irrelevancies to blind the jury from the facts because they knew they'd vote to convict when in doubt. The defense pointed out that he metabolized fentanyl throughout the day as he was on drugs, then introduced a large spike of unmetabolized fentanyl just before he died. Nobody ever presented any counter-theory that could explain it, but like I said, it doesn't matter, it was a show trial.
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