If you look at the first 100 pages of this thread. I am one of those that can't wait for and I am more than happy enough that IDF was skewing these muzzies off one by one.
But when they went way too much, I just say..fxxk... this is bad and didn't post...

When the Epstein files came I out.. I just went....shit.... this is too much...ain't gonna support that sort of shit.

And it is not just me... Even Elite was waving the Pro Israel flag.



This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Apr 28 2026 08:25am

I didn't say they were targetting civilians, I said they were targetting civilian buildings and infrastructure. Their attacks on the heating and energy infrastructure are well-documented. Simply put, maximizing the number of civilians deaths is not their primary objective. Their campaign is about creating an atmosphere of constant fear and terror which is designed to break the Ukrainian people's will to keep fighting.

Israel's campaign in Gaza is different in that they operate in a FAR more dense setting, and against an opponent who deliberately erects his HQ underneath a hospital etc. pp.
Such a campaign will inevitably produce a higher death toll, and not just due to Israeli disregard for Palestinian life (which is definitely one contributing factor, don't get me wrong), but also because their enemy is provoking these kinds of civilian deaths which fuel their propaganda campaign.



Even just looking at the strategic outlook should make this clear: Hamas cannot militarily defeat Israel anytime soon, so their best chance to survive in the here and now, and to weaken Israel in the long run, is to turn global public opinion against Israel and get their allies to break with them. Ukraine, on the other hand, already enjoys the support from all relevant parties whose support they have any hopes of getting, and they're far more evenly matched with Russia on the battlefield than Hamas is with the IDF.

Likewise, look at the incentive structure for the side with the initiative: if Israel had a too low tolerance for civilian deaths in Gaza, they would have had no chance of getting the hostages back or take out Hamas structures. They had to choose between accepting strategic defeat and going home, or playing right into the Hamas propaganda and causing havoc on the civilian population of Gaza. (Although they undoubtedly overdid it in this regard.)
By contrast, Russia could have achieved its objectives in this war by defeating Ukraine decisively enough on the battlefield - their failure to do so is the very reason why they now resort to attacks against the Ukrainian home front, attacks against Ukraine's resolve instead of its military.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 28 2026 08:43am

I actually don't think Israel targets civilians, its more so they have a very high tolerance for collateral damage. If 10 random people (which they probably view as Hamas sympathizers anyways) die to kill one Hamas or Hezbollah member, that's tolerable to them. Population density there and the fact that fighters mix in with civilians also makes it hard to try to be pin point accurate. Last i read something like 70+k dead in Gaza and roughly 80% of those are civilians.

Contrast that to the Russian war. No one knows for certain but probably a million people died in ~4 years. Last i googled, something like 15k civilians deaths are confirmed. So the overwhelming majority of people dying in that war are combatants. If you think a war that has less than 2% of all deaths be civilians is 'targeting civilians' how can you think the opposite in a war that has 80%?

Must be taking some sort of magic mushrooms to think that way.
Do you see how they come out with a hundred reasons to say why the civilian death toll is so high ?

Imagine if a Russian or someone who is slightly pro Russian coming out and explain the way the person above you is trying to explain.
Imagine the respond .

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Apr 28 2026 09:08am

You're a dude on the internet who has figured out (correctly of course) that Hamas has no chance to beat Israel, and knows it, but wants to maximize civilian deaths to make Israel look bad. even thought they realize all they can ever be is an annoyance to Israel, even if they train and gather resources for decades all they can muster is a few raids and firing off puny rockets.

So now realize that Israel knows this too, they know Hamas doesnt pose a credible threat. That they're hiding behind women and children. and that since they caught Israel with their pants down once with a raid all it would take is outposts and better detection to prevent another raid like October 7th. and still what was their plan? kill as many hamas fighters as they can, knowing it will cause people to die. they actually made the wheres daddy program to kill hamas families in their entirety to try and stop terrorists' sons from taking up the cause. they leveled the infrastructure entirely, its just a pile of rubble now.

and these are the moral ones? people who could have built fences, or even just destroyed a 1 mile buffer zone on the border to make a DMZ to prevent raids, and put in tunnel detection. but rather chose to displace and destroy literally everything they could. revenge is expected, but its not moral. if you want to point out russia is immoral, thats fine and logical. but saying israel is better in literally any way is absurd. has russia tracked ukranian fathers to their families to strike down multiple generations?

Nope...

He has historical amnesia forgetting the Russian Ukraine crap started on Late 2013 - 2014

Date 21 November 2013 – 22 February 2014


You know what else happen in 2014 ?

Umbrella Movement, or Occupy Movement, occurred in Hong Kong from 26 September to 15 December 2014.



Dude you have been here longer than me. I started visiting here because of thread to learn more about the situation.
We have seen so much for the past what....4 to 5 years.

It is so damn obvious there are dudes here who are not coming in for a civil, pragmatic debate agreeing and disagreeing at certain points.
Just here to...like what Tistuff say..... ReeeeeReeeee.



This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Apr 28 2026 12:11pm

How did 97% knew where not to be when the bomb fell?

This alone means there was no intent

This post was edited by Many_Names on Apr 28 2026 12:33pm

its pretty pathetic that Israeli propoganda has gotten to the point where just not being a genocide is all you have lol.

81% of the structures in an entire area were destroyed, which makes you complete and utter monsters, but hey you didnt kill enough people to be literal nazis. congrats!

so do you work at one of the doggie SA prisons or is that your cousin? "most moral army on earth" is literally training dogs to grape prisoners, but at least you're not making lamp shades.

I remember asking him if what the Chinese government is doing to the dudes in Xinjiang Genocide which he replied yes but what they are doing in Gaza isn't.

Looking at Xinjiang now , the Chinese government needs to learn from the IDF., because Winnie the Pooh is an embarrassment and a God damn noob..
Putin and Russians need to take note as well, when it comes to leveling cities and killing off terrorists...I mean civilians..



But you must admit and I do admit and respect the IDF's violence..
At least, they are forthright about how much they eliminated and without remorse. This , although morally screwed up..but strategically speaking and how they are able to infiltrate, influence USA..is legendary..

One might argue USA is superior, but if we are to say it with honestly, after WW2...Israel and IDF is by far the most successful and potent nation so far.

You have to respect and take your hats off them.

This isn't my entire argument; it is a direct response to his claims.

81% of the infrastructure was destroyed because those buildings were used for combat and for the construction of an underground tunnel network.
The 3% mortality rate demonstrates, on its own, that no genocide occurred

You have been influenced by pro-Palestinian propaganda.