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Dec 4 2017 06:43pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Dec 4 2017 07:18pm)
i read the mises article but i'm not religious so i don't buy into the hack piece failure to own the results of policies they support
an economic policy calling for wide ranging tax cuts leading to shortfall in tax revenue leading to schools being closed due to a lack of funding is an abominable failure in economic policy


verbal diarrhea in place of an argument -_-
disparaging and juvenile comments dont refute anything that was said.

the fact that they faced budget shortfalls is not contested. they say that in the article.
it does nothing to prove that tax cuts are inherently bad for the economy.

some funky tax cuts in kansas using short term government revenue as a metric for success are not representative of all tax cuts and its not being measured by the same metrics and criteria for success

the idea that something can fail to do some things but succeeded in others is a salient point that juvenile comments about religion don't overturn.

the point was never that any and all tax cuts are always good for any governmental entity's revenue collection efforts and budgeting needs, nor is that the only criteria one can use for success or merit
what are you not getting about this?
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Dec 4 2017 06:43pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Dec 4 2017 06:18pm)
i read the mises article but i'm not religious so i don't buy into the hack piece failure to own the results of policies they support, hell the article boldly states the tax cuts were good for economic growth - just not economic growth for kansas - which begs the question why the fk should kansas consider slashing taxes like that in the first place if they won't get the benefits?
an economic policy calling for wide ranging tax cuts leading to shortfall in tax revenue leading to schools being closed due to a lack of funding is an abominable failure in economic policy


Have some respect! Why do you people have to go around attacking others religion like that?
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Dec 4 2017 06:47pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Dec 4 2017 07:43pm)
Have some respect! Why do you people have to go around attacking others religion like that?

teehehe good one! intellectualism is a religion and religion is like bad and stuff! got him!
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Dec 4 2017 06:54pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Dec 4 2017 08:18pm)
i read the mises article but i'm not religious so i don't buy into the hack piece failure to own the results of policies they support, hell the article boldly states the tax cuts were good for economic growth - just not economic growth for kansas - which begs the question why the fk should kansas consider slashing taxes like that in the first place if they won't get the benefits?
an economic policy calling for wide ranging tax cuts leading to shortfall in tax revenue leading to schools being closed due to a lack of funding is an abominable failure in economic policy


Because private schools don't exist :rofl:
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Dec 4 2017 06:54pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Dec 4 2017 07:43pm)
verbal diarrhea in place of an argument -_-
disparaging and juvenile comments dont refute anything that was said.

the fact that they faced budget shortfalls is not contested. they say that in the article.
it does nothing to prove that tax cuts are inherently bad for the economy.

some funky tax cuts in kansas using short term government revenue as a metric for success are not representative of all tax cuts and its not being measured by the same metrics and criteria for success

the idea that something can fail to do some things but succeeded in others is a salient point that juvenile comments about religion don't overturn.

the point was never that any and all tax cuts are always good for any governmental entity's revenue collection efforts and budgeting needs, nor is that the only criteria one can use for success or merit
what are you not getting about this?


you cut out the 2nd line of my post which was kind of the point :o
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Dec 4 2017 06:54pm
WHY ARE THERE SO FEW PICTURES IN HERE?
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Dec 4 2017 06:55pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Dec 4 2017 06:18pm)
i read the mises article but i'm not religious so i don't buy into the hack piece failure to own the results of policies they support, hell the article boldly states the tax cuts were good for economic growth - just not economic growth for kansas - which begs the question why the fk should kansas consider slashing taxes like that in the first place if they won't get the benefits?
an economic policy calling for wide ranging tax cuts leading to shortfall in tax revenue leading to schools being closed due to a lack of funding is an abominable failure in economic policy


Just so you understand, Kansas as a state does not have the power/ability to run a budget deficit. No state does. Only the feds can do that. What is applicable at the state level is not necessarily applicable at the federal level.

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WHY ARE THERE SO FEW PICTURES IN HERE?


Pictures elicit responses.

This post was edited by Santara on Dec 4 2017 06:56pm
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Dec 4 2017 06:55pm
Quote (00pq @ Dec 4 2017 07:54pm)
WHY ARE THERE SO FEW PICTURES IN HERE?


these are alternative pictures
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Dec 4 2017 07:04pm
Quote (Santara @ Dec 4 2017 07:55pm)
Just so you understand, Kansas as a state does not have the power/ability to run a budget deficit. No state does. Only the feds can do that. What is applicable at the state level is not necessarily applicable at the federal level.



Pictures elicit responses.


i'm not talking about deficits
i'm talking about results as a whole, particularly as it relates to quality of life for the citizens of kansas who tried this tax cut experiment, results that were so bad that republicans who supported tax cuts citing the usual list of reasons conservatives do for cutting them went back and raised them
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Dec 4 2017 07:13pm
A picture is worth a thousand words


Quote (duffman316 @ Dec 4 2017 07:54pm)
you cut out the 2nd line of my post which was kind of the point :o


>you edited your post

Im not taking the position that the kansas government handled the situation well.
The kansas cut effects had a lot to do with what types of taxes they were cutting and their refusal to cut spending alongside it.

http://reason.com/blog/2017/06/19/kansas-tax-cut-experiment-a-predictable
https://taxfoundation.org/testimony-reexamining-kansas-pass-through-carve-out/

A federal income tax cut doesn't run into most of those problems.
Nor is the fact that a tax cut also helps people outside of your area a bad thing.
They just had unrealistic expectations of what those cuts would do.

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results that were so bad that republicans who supported tax cuts citing the usual list of reasons conservatives do for cutting them went back and raised them

they had a budget shortfall because they raised spending almost every year while cutting taxes. they needed more tax revenue so they raised taxes.
thats not particularly mysterious or profound to me.

a kansas tax cut alongside spending increases leading to budgeting problems isnt the silver bullet against tax cuts that you were trying to make it out to be.

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