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Dec 2 2017 12:46pm
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do you think most people are doing the same ?



Most no , a lot yes. But ofc this is with vehicles that aren’t feasible as electric yet anyways.
Like it was said already for areas that experience weather that limits the range to about an hour of driving it would apply to most people though for sure.
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Most no , a lot yes. But ofc this is with vehicles that aren’t feasible as electric yet anyways.
Like it was said already for areas that experience weather that limits the range to about an hour of driving it would apply to most people though for sure.


y theres a study in 2015 that "On average, Americans drive 29.2 miles per day, making two trips with an average total duration of 46 minutes"
16% are doing more than 50 miles a day, considering 400 km is like 300 miles theres some margin yep, more than 90% very easy.
https://publicaffairsresources.aaa.biz/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/AmericanDrivingSurvey2015.pdf

This is for north america, i guess canada is close. For Europe distances are shorter.
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Dec 2 2017 01:21pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 2 Dec 2017 20:03)
y theres a study in 2015 that "On average, Americans drive 29.2 miles per day, making two trips with an average total duration of 46 minutes"
16% are doing more than 50 miles a day, considering 400 km is like 300 miles theres some margin yep, more than 90% very easy.
https://publicaffairsresources.aaa.biz/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/AmericanDrivingSurvey2015.pdf

This is for north america, i guess canada is close. For Europe distances are shorter.


its not just about daily commute, its also about travelling. say you wanna visit your sibling's family in the neighboring state, or say a guy from norther france wants to drive to the french mediterranean coast with his family for 1 week of camping - do you think people will be keen on having to take hour-long stops to recharge their e-cars in those situations?

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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Dec 2 2017 01:03pm)
y theres a study in 2015 that "On average, Americans drive 29.2 miles per day, making two trips with an average total duration of 46 minutes"
16% are doing more than 50 miles a day, considering 400 km is like 300 miles theres some margin yep, more than 90% very easy.
https://publicaffairsresources.aaa.biz/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/AmericanDrivingSurvey2015.pdf

This is for north america, i guess canada is close. For Europe distances are shorter.



Yes, for urban commuters it’s a suitable option that hopefully replaces combustion engines. For weekend warrior or road trips at this time it’s not very viable , especially for rural people who even if the 5 day requirement is 50km a day, once or twice a month they require trips of 100km plus. For everyone in Canada that makes this unviable 6 months of the year.
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Yes, for urban commuters it’s a suitable option that hopefully replaces combustion engines. For weekend warrior or road trips at this time it’s not very viable , especially for rural people who even if the 5 day requirement is 50km a day, once or twice a month they require trips of 100km plus. For everyone in Canada that makes this unviable 6 months of the year.


it would already help a lot if most of the urban traffic switched to electric engines. would reduce air pollution where it's needed the most, and it would reduce demand for oil by quite a bit, making gas cheaper for everyone else who still drives a classic car.

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Quote (remco6 @ 2 Dec 2017 20:23)
Yes, for urban commuters it’s a suitable option that hopefully replaces combustion engines. For weekend warrior or road trips at this time it’s not very viable , especially for rural people who even if the 5 day requirement is 50km a day, once or twice a month they require trips of 100km plus. For everyone in Canada that makes this unviable 6 months of the year.


This cover urban & suburd easy, like the study explain, it's 90% of people even more.
Now for the "special" ones i guess they will be the last to switch, thats all.


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its not just about daily commute, its also about travelling. say you wanna visit your sibling's family in the neighboring state, or say a guy from norther france wants to drive to the french mediterranean coast with his family for 1 week of camping - do you think people will be keen on having to take hour-long stops to recharge their e-cars in those situations?


I dont think it's a major issue, the choice of 1 vehicle does not depends of this exceptional (and small) constraint.
Doing those trip theres usually do a long stop for lunch, then add 1 hour and you get a nice charge to finish it.
It's really small problem.
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alternate hand written tax bill:
(libertarian version)


or democrat style:
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right now electric cars are the biggest fraud i can imagine, huge energy and resource investment, performance and capacity problems, that are the result of basic physics

a revolution in battery technology is needed for them to become somewhat viable, not to mention that (regarding the mentioned urban traffic) barely anyone has an idea what happens when millions of people in a metropolis come home at 6 p.m and start to charge their cars....
last estimate i read was about the base load increasing by a factor of 8
while at the same quitting reliable energy production, coal, oil, nuclear power, all of them have to go of course

what a joke

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 2 Dec 2017 20:58)
This cover urban & suburd easy, like the study explain, it's 90% of people even more.
Now for the "special" ones i guess they will be the last to switch, thats all.


I dont think it's a major issue, the choice of 1 vehicle does not depends of this exceptional (and small) constraint.
Doing those trip theres usually do a long stop for lunch, then add 1 hour and you get a nice charge to finish it.
It's really small problem.


too bad when the battery doesnt even last until lunch when you start early, not to mention that you are going nowhere with just 1 extra hour
except you happen to encounter a megawatt loading unit :lol:

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 2 Dec 2017 20:31)
it would already help a lot if most of the urban traffic switched to electric engines. would reduce air pollution where it's needed the most, and it would reduce demand for oil by quite a bit, making gas cheaper for everyone else who still drives a classic car.


on the one hand yes, on the other you are just pushing the pollution to other places

its absolutely ridiculous how people like merkel try to force these cars in their current state on people, what a waste of money

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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Dec 2 2017 03:58pm)
This cover urban & suburd easy, like the study explain, it's 90% of people even more.
Now for the "special" ones i guess they will be the last to switch, thats all.




I dont think it's a major issue, the choice of 1 vehicle does not depends of this exceptional (and small) constraint.
Doing those trip theres usually do a long stop for lunch, then add 1 hour and you get a nice charge to finish it.
It's really small problem.


Don't they need a specific charger? You jeep saying just stop for two hours. Stop where? Most towns here don't have charging stations.
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