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Jul 12 2023 01:34am
Quote (addone @ Jul 12 2023 01:32pm)
You are making an assertion without proof. Quoting a book to prove the book you are referring to is circular reasoning. Here is an illustration of this.

https://i.ibb.co/GsgCXt2/images-80.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/YZTFFTZ/images-70.jpg


Ahh, I see the problem. You have issues with trusting the Bible. Luckily, about a decade ago, I made a post about this very topic.

Here you go:

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=66318140&f=125
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Jul 12 2023 03:41am
Quote (CPK001 @ Jul 12 2023 07:34pm)
Ahh, I see the problem. You have issues with trusting the Bible. Luckily, about a decade ago, I made a post about this very topic.

Here you go:

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=66318140&f=125


It's like you telling me you can't read without telling me. Circar logic do you know what that is?
Familiarise yourself with basic logic before proceeding to quote me things.

I trust the bible just as much I trust Harry Potter by J.K. Rowling. In fact more so because she is real and an actual person that exists. Author of the bible no one ever met today and many of the authors are completely unknown.
The content of Harry Potter is a fairytale because none of those things can be proven to exist they were made up.
Is it possible that some events and people were based on real life? Sure is spiderman real no, is it true someone can be bit by a spider and shoot webs from their hands not a chance, is New York a real place where spiderman is from? yes it is. Can the bible talk about some historical battle or a real place that exist yes. Does that mean jesus resurrected after dying on the cross and that a talking snake convinced 2 adults to eat magical fruit, have to call bullshit.

Let me know if you are still confused.

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Quote (addone @ Jul 12 2023 07:41pm)
It's like you telling me you can't read without telling me. Circar logic do you know what that is?
Familiarise yourself with basic logic before proceeding to quote me things.

I trust the bible just as much I trust Harry Potter by J.K. Rowling. In fact more so because she is real and an actual person that exists. Author of the bible no one ever met today and many of the authors are completely unknown.
The content of Harry Potter is a fairytale because none of those things can be proven to exist they were made up.
Is it possible that some events and people were based on real life? Sure is spiderman real no, is it true someone can be bit by a spider and shoot webs from their hands not a chance, is New York a real place where spiderman is from? yes it is. Can the bible talk about some historical battle or a real place that exist yes. Does that mean jesus resurrected after dying on the cross and that a talking snake convinced 2 adults to eat magical fruit, have to call bullshit.

Let me know if you are still confused.


I don't know what "Circar logic" is, no.

J.K. Rowling is a real person and people have met her. However in 100 years nobody alive will have met J.K. Rowling. Based on that logic your bringing absolutely nothing written in history is worth any trust. Based on this I can tell that you are not interested in History.

Let me ask you this question: How many people alive today were present for World War One? In maybe 50? 60? Years nobody alive will have met anyone who was present for World War One. Based on your logic everything loses its credibility with time.

The authors of the Bible are completely unknown? To you, yes. To me, I can read the opening of the Gospel of Luke and know exactly who wrote Luke's Gospel.

Here's something for you to think about:

Isaiah 40:6-8

6 A voice says, “Cry out.”
And I said, “What shall I cry?”

“All people are like grass,
and all their faithfulness is like the flowers of the field.
7 The grass withers and the flowers fall,
because the breath of the Lord blows on them.
Surely the people are grass.
8 The grass withers and the flowers fall,
but the word of our God endures forever.
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Jul 12 2023 05:09am
Quote (CPK001 @ Jul 12 2023 10:04pm)
I don't know what "Circar logic" is, no.

J.K. Rowling is a real person and people have met her. However in 100 years nobody alive will have met J.K. Rowling. Based on that logic your bringing absolutely nothing written in history is worth any trust. Based on this I can tell that you are not interested in History.

Let me ask you this question: How many people alive today were present for World War One? In maybe 50? 60? Years nobody alive will have met anyone who was present for World War One. Based on your logic everything loses its credibility with time.

The authors of the Bible are completely unknown? To you, yes. To me, I can read the opening of the Gospel of Luke and know exactly who wrote Luke's Gospel.

Here's something for you to think about:

Isaiah 40:6-8

6 A voice says, “Cry out.”
And I said, “What shall I cry?”

“All people are like grass,
and all their faithfulness is like the flowers of the field.
7 The grass withers and the flowers fall,
because the breath of the Lord blows on them.
Surely the people are grass.
8 The grass withers and the flowers fall,
but the word of our God endures forever.


Well look up circular logic you might be surprised you are using it every time you make bible quotes.

My point was JK Rowling is a real person who is alive and non imaginary. Bible claims its a word of God but no means to verify or prove he exists. Hence why I gave Harry Potter book more credibility NOT for it's contents but the representation. Big difference.
You say you know the authors from the bible because it's written by their names. By that logic if I write on the napkin that it's written by God would you accept it also? No all it proves is that you are guillable.
Also when I said that many of the bible authors are unknown that's because Christian scholars themselves say that. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Bible

I am beginning to suspect you know very little of your own religion, maybe because you are not used to thinking and asking questions.

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Jul 12 2023 05:24am
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Well look up circular logic you might be surprised you are using it every time you make bible quotes.

My point was JK Rowling is a real person who is alive and non imaginary. Bible claims its a word of God but no means to verify or prove he exists. Hence why I gave Harry Potter book more credibility NOT for it's contents but the representation. Big difference.
You say you know the authors from the bible because it's written by their names. By that logic if I write on the napkin that it's written by God would you accept it also? No all it proves is that you are guillable.
Also when I said that many of the bible authors are unknown that's because Christian scholars themselves say that. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Bible

I am beginning to suspect you know very little of your own religion, maybe because you are not used to thinking and asking questions.


people read the bible and become convinced. thats how they have trust in the bible.
nobody believes in harry potter or spider man its a dumb analogy and dumb arguments like that only cause a persons faith to grow because its unsound and that is what one would except of the ones that refuse to be delivered from darkness

John 3:19 And this is the verdict:
This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil
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Jul 12 2023 06:49am
Quote (TiStuff @ Jul 12 2023 11:24pm)
people read the bible and become convinced. thats how they have trust in the bible.
nobody believes in harry potter or spider man its a dumb analogy and dumb arguments like that only cause a persons faith to grow because its unsound and that is what one would except of the ones that refuse to be delivered from darkness

John 3:19 And this is the verdict:
This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil


People read the Bible and become convinced?? On what basis? If the prerequisite to believe the bible is reading then why does it only apply to the Bible and not Harry Potter?

Also you say that nobody believes Harry Potter or Spiderman. Why???
You have just arbitrarily decided to call one book good and the other books dumb and evil for no reason. Without a reason you are just hurling insults which isn't constructive and passing judgment is breaking your own religious code. Way to show everyone how you are a good Christian who practice what they preach.

Can you pray for me?
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Jul 12 2023 07:00am
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People read the Bible and become convinced??On what basis? If the prerequisite to believe the bible is reading then why does it only apply to the Bible and not Harry Potter?

Also you say that nobody believes Harry Potter or Spiderman. Why???
You have just arbitrarily decided to call one book good and the other books dumb and evil for no reason. Without a reason you are just hurling insults which isn't constructive and passing judgment is breaking your own religious code. Way to show everyone how you are a good Christian who practice what they preach.

Can you pray for me?


people believe the bible but not harry potter or spiderman. asking why is a reasonable question

not insults but just acknowledging spiritual realities.

yes
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Jul 12 2023 03:58pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Jul 13 2023 01:00am)
people believe the bible but not harry potter or spiderman. asking why is a reasonable question

not insults but just acknowledging spiritual realities.

yes


You are speculating with feelings and providing 0 explanations why. This doesn't further your low resolution hot take. I know it's difficult for you to apply some reasoning beyond 6th grade. But at least work for your +1s.

Or are you in a competition to be pard's worst troll? In which case you are winning.
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You are speculating with feelings and providing 0 explanations why. This doesn't further your low resolution hot take. I know it's difficult for you to apply some reasoning beyond 6th grade. But at least work for your +1s.

Or are you in a competition to be pard's worst troll? In which case you are winning.


is that how you excuse it? tell your self its trolling?
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Jul 12 2023 04:47pm
Quote (CPK001 @ Jul 11 2023 10:59pm)
Where do you learn morality if not from the Bible? Obviously you haven't learned any as evidence by this very thread.

You can go on about how you haven't murdered anyone, like that's a sight to behold. What about in your daily life where you insult, make fun of and mock? What about the part where you are being very judgemental on those who don't share the same beliefs as you?


I love it when Christians claim that all morals come from the Bible that their God is the source of all the righteous. Christians think just because they follow Jesus it gives them a sense of purpose and they are the good guys.

Christians should be demonstrating the highest examples of morality, ethics and model citizens right? .....RIGHT?

Let's have a look here if they do.

https://www.city-data.com/blog/3429-modern-prisoners-of-america-races-and-religious-affiliations/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/234653/religious-affiliation-of-us-prisoners/




There must be a mistake here surely! Why are Christians and religious people make up a vast majority of criminals? Aren't they supposed to provide an example to the rest of us non religious people on how to not to steal, murder etc?

The evidence determined that to be a lie.

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