crikey I had my complaints with obstructionist republicans for most of a decade but at least they weren't negotiating with a sword at our throats
When people talked about 'dangerous and irresponsible' fiscal cliff deadlines and whatnot, it was all hypotheticals and prognostication

Now the democrats are debating whether its in their political best interests to throw gasoline on the fire

I'm sure we'll hear some fresh take how the evil corporations getting bailouts isn't fair and we should help the people and let those companies fail. Then in 12 months the same people will complain about a tripling of the unemployment rate and plane tickets being 2x what they are now because you let 1/2 of the airlines implode.

Between the airlines, cruise, hotel and oil industries how many millions of people do we have working there?

The only industries that need a bailout are ones that have an indirect effect on national security. The rest can take out zero interest loans to weather the storm. The primary concern should be small businesses and determining the best way to help them. What Rubio et al have is pretty good I think.

great post my friend! glad there are others who know how to bamboozle #fakenews sites


agreed here
also make sure the relief checks go to people who are actually put out of work due to the ongoing situation. not some arbitrary income threshold (which is also good but there should be other qualifications)


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I think this is one of the real dangers of having a party solely populated by a marriage of cynical pragmatists and fanatics. The fanatics are willing to burn down the house to get their way, happy to let the imperfect teabag the good to death. The cynical pragmatists will push an old lady in front of a bus if its in their rational self-interest. Ever since Wellstone got splattered across a field, nobody has had my interests in mind. And right now, Democrats are being given an opportunity to obstruct any federal response to the crisis. Even if McConnell was willing to bring in Rand Paul in a hazmat suit and go nuclear in the senate to make that vote pass on party lines, Pelosi can swat it down in the house. If the neoliberals pragmatists and fanatic progressives alike decide that defeating Trump is more important than keeping America functioning, they have the power to shut it all down. And they might be 'right'. A prolonged crisis, higher death toll, starvation and riots and breakdown of society and total economic collapse would most likely result in Trump losing his reelection, no matter how much he blames the Democrats. He'd just look pathetic. They could get Biden to push his own proposed super strong response and list all the many ways he would have averted the crisis if he was president, nevermind that he opposed the lockdowns and travel bans and hasn't spoken a word with Pelosi to get this stimulus passed.

Thank you my good friend! Together we can make information freely available, as it should be in a free society!

secretive slush fund ?

well said my friend! i hope you are staying safe and taking care in these times

Mhm. Chinese virus isnt racist. Yellow fever is.

I do find it interesting that conservatives are so bent out of shape about calling it COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2. Like, why INSIST on calling it the Wuhan virus/Chinese virus? Why is COVID-19 so offensive?