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Nov 26 2019 03:46am
Quote (Goomshill @ 26 Nov 2019 08:09)
but this is 2019, facts are banned.


The kind of dangerously racist "fact" that spread by all the right wing media in half of a day.
It's blatantly obvious that trans of color are a vulnerable part of the population.

IMO he's not suspended for his false claims, but more for the hate-like, toxic, speech: it's mostly black women so it doesn't cunt ? :huh:



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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Nov 26 2019 03:46am)
The kind of dangerously racist "fact" that spread by all the right wing media in half of a day.


Facts can't be racist. Racism is by definition prejudice based upon ignorance, and facts are the cure for ignorance.

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It's blatantly obvious that trans of color are a vulnerable part of the population.


Its that "obvious"?
https://twitter.com/chadfelixg/status/1197280699948113921
As far as the facts indicate, trans people of color in high crime neighborhoods are more or less at the same risk of victimization as every other person of color, and transgender people as a group have a lower victimization rate than straight people.
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Nov 26 2019 04:41am
Quote (Goomshill @ 26 Nov 2019 11:09)
Facts can't be racist. Racism is by definition prejudice based upon ignorance, and facts are the cure for ignorance.


Not when involving false or inexistant "facts" to proceed a [trolling/attention whoring] racist/hateful narrative.

Quote (Goomshill @ 26 Nov 2019 11:09)

Its that "obvious"?
https://twitter.com/chadfelixg/status/1197280699948113921
As far as the facts indicate, trans people of color in high crime neighborhoods are more or less at the same risk of victimization as every other person of color, and transgender people as a group have a lower victimization rate than straight people.


Here's the point; good luck having a specific check on each murder filing: was the victim a trans... Or just gay ...? Should we do a comparison with Women or Men murder rate ? Tricky scam.


So the best way here is to stick on domestic violence (not murders) statistics involving transgenders... Because the reasons of the offenses are properly filled (discrimination)

Not that i'm supporting Clinton's moaning tho. But "facts" from right wing attention whore is LOOOOL.
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Nov 26 2019 05:39am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 26 2019 02:21am)
There is a huge difference between "opposing" a president and "trying to undermine his legitimacy based on hoaxes, ridiculous conspiracy theories and intelligence reports from partisan and unreliable sources".

There is a difference between trying to oppose a president's policy by convincing the public with substantive, rational arguments and trying to stymie his agenda with smear campaigns and unfounded hysteria.


Yeah you guys lost the right to make this argument after the birtherism.
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Nov 26 2019 05:41am
Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 26 2019 02:09am)
https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/25/twitter-suspends-andy-ngo-for-reporting-facts-about-trans-murders/

Remember folks: Virtue signalling using misleading or false crime statistics is protected by social media. Debunking it with factual crime statistics will get you banned. You're free to demand justice for the epidemic of transgender people murdered in the USA. You're banned if you point out that transgender people have a lower rate of murder victimization that cis people, and the murders of trans people that have happened are almost entirely black on black violence involving drug deals or prostitution in high crime areas. Which of course is well evidenced fact

but this is 2019, facts are banned.


A transgendered woman is 4.3 times more likely to be murdered than a CIS woman. That is a fact, where is it?

I know facts can be useful to spread information. They can also be useful to manipulate ignorant people into supporting an ideology based on dehumanization of other individuals and the minimization of their established problems, and the abatement of personal responsibility of those who adhere to it. It is a pretty good deal. Better deal than being 4.3 times more likely to be fucking murdered because of your identity.

I read your statement, and I understand that black people or gay people or no more or less likely to be criminals or violent than anybody else, and understand, based on empirical evidence that criminality is largely based on zip code how well the economic system is being rationed whether the economy is growing or shrinking etc. I see something like what you wrote that trans people live in crime infested areas and I know they often do have to become sex trafficked due to people in positions of power not respecting them or their talents, or I hear they are from another minority category so it doesn't count in some way....which is a bizarre dismissal.

"Who is behind the murders? Mostly black men". What the fuck does that have to do with remembering transgendered people who are killed.

So you have someone make a post, saying "remember to be kinder to Trans people because they have hard lives", and Andy Ngo makes a post saying "they don't have it that bad, and black men are garbage". That is not stating a fact. That is him being a piece of shit and ringing your dog whistle bro.
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Quote (Skinned @ Nov 26 2019 05:41am)
A transgendered woman is 4.3 times more likely to be murdered than a CIS woman. That is a fact, where is it?


Right here, in this study:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5551594/

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Results. The overall homicide rate of transgender individuals was likely to be less than that of cisgender individuals, with 8 of 12 RR estimates below 1.0.However, the homicide rates of young transfeminine Black and Latina residents were almost certainly higher than were those of cisfeminine comparators, with all RR estimates above 1.0 for Blacks and all above 1.0 for Latinas.


As stated, the evidence is that transgender individuals have a lower overall murder victimization rate than cis individuals, as opposed to the subset of black/latino transgender individuals who are estimated with less certainty to have a higher rate.

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"Who is behind the murders? Mostly black men". What the fuck does that have to do with remembering transgendered people who are killed.


Because if anyone actually cared about black transgender people like the whole 'black lives matter' thing pretends to do, then they'd be interested in figuring out the reason why black transgender people face disproportionately high murder rates and addressing that reason. And it doesn't take a course in ethnic studies and criminology to figure out that black transgender people tend to live at-risk lifestyles in high crime communities, ie being involved with drugs and prostitution- which in turn leads to a naturally higher murder victimization rate with the offender being almost universally black males. Which also explains why of the 150 murdered black transgender people in their sample, as many as ~146 were dead to non-bias crimes, almost all involving drugs / prostitution. So any effort to seriously tackle the underlying issue would involve addressing street crime.

But advancing a social narrative is more important than addressing actual social harms. And nobody actually cares about black-on-black violence and black lives definitely don't matter

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Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 26 2019 07:03am)
Right here, in this study:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5551594/



As stated, the evidence is that transgender individuals have a lower overall murder victimization rate than cis individuals, as opposed to the subset of black/latino transgender individuals who are estimated with less certainty to have a higher rate.



Because if anyone actually cared about black transgender people like the whole 'black lives matter' thing pretends to do, then they'd be interested in figuring out the reason why black transgender people face disproportionately high murder rates and addressing that reason. And it doesn't take a course in ethnic studies and criminology to figure out that black transgender people tend to live at-risk lifestyles in high crime communities, ie being involved with drugs and prostitution- which in turn leads to a naturally higher murder victimization rate with the offender being almost universally black males. Which also explains why of the 150 murdered black transgender people in their sample, as many as ~146 were dead to non-bias crimes, almost all involving drugs / prostitution. So any effort to seriously tackle the underlying issue would involve addressing street crime.

But advancing a social narrative is more important than addressing actual social harms. And nobody actually cares about black-on-black violence and black lives definitely don't matter


Violent street crime has been steadily decreasing for decades as social support infrastructures have been developed and access to healthcare spreading. It is true if you're black you're more likely to be a victim of crime, and if you have a gender identity that isn't accepted by many people you are more likely to be a victim of a crime. If you are a racial and gender minority you are a lot more likely to be a victim of crimes than a caucasian person with a socially acceptable gender identity aka Americas most privileged.

You can say all that more honestly and less racistly. Facts can be racist when they are manipulated by people to make those who are gullible buy into their ideology, that White Man's Burden thing.

Intersectionality is the approach you wish to take if you're concerned about justice.

If all people of color, gays, liberals, immigrants, religious minorities etc, wrote a letter to the scared white people saying we appreciate your contributions as America's special people would that make a difference?

Or is transgender remembrance just Andy Ngo "black men suck too day"?

I can't wait until February...

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Violent street crime has been steadily decreasing for decades as social support infrastructures have been developed and access to healthcare spreading. It is true if you're black you're more likely to be a victim of crime, and if you have a gender identity that isn't accepted by many people you are more likely to be a victim of a crime. If you are a racial and gender minority you are a lot more likely to be a victim of crimes than a caucasian person with a socially acceptable gender identity aka Americas most privileged.

You can say all that more honestly and less racistly. Facts can be racist when they are manipulated by people to make those who are gullible buy into their ideology, that White Man's Burden thing.

Intersectionality is the approach you wish to take if you're concerned about justice.


Facts can be manipulated when people make observations that aren't supported by the evidence, like mistaking correlation for causality. Intersectionality often (always) becomes a way to dismiss the causal roots of societal issues by conflating similar or related scenarios to prop up spurious correlations that wouldn't stand on their own, or to abstract away far past an identifiable problem with a discrete remedy and instead focus on vague theories of societal structure. We could identify that black transgender people are vastly disproportionately represented among low-income, high crime subcommunities and lifestyles, ie being a crackwhore and/or drug dealer- and thereby chalk up statistical representation to the same underlying risks associated with criminal lifestyles regardless of identity. And the remedy would be the same as it is for generalized crime. This serves as an inverse to the famous example of white people on HRT being less prone to heart attacks, because they came from richer and healthier lifestyles, rather than it being caused by the HRT. Or, in intersectionality land, we could just relate the experience of black transgender people to historical slaves, native americans, aboriginees, muslim refugees and hobbits under sharkey and therefore ascribe the cause to a combination of societal repression, historical persecution and of course raciswypipo. And then shake our fists at vaguely defined power structures that exist to provide social services, public safety and welfare, because reasons.

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If all people of color, gays, liberals, immigrants, religious minorities etc, wrote a letter to the scared white people saying we appreciate your contributions as America's special people would that make a difference?
Or is transgender remembrance just Andy Ngo "black men suck too day"?


Any people of color, gays, liberals, immigrants, religious minorities, etc become honorary cis WASP elite men the second they say something like that, revoking their identity card.
Andy Ngo for example is a straight rich white protestant man as far as Antifa is concerned.
Its what leads to the fun little interactions like this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IABlvimeoH8#t=3m37s

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Quote (Skinned @ 26 Nov 2019 06:41)
A transgendered woman is 4.3 times more likely to be murdered than a CIS woman. That is a fact, where is it?

I know facts can be useful to spread information. They can also be useful to manipulate ignorant people into supporting an ideology based on dehumanization of other individuals and the minimization of their established problems, and the abatement of personal responsibility of those who adhere to it. It is a pretty good deal. Better deal than being 4.3 times more likely to be fucking murdered because of your identity.

I read your statement, and I understand that black people or gay people or no more or less likely to be criminals or violent than anybody else, and understand, based on empirical evidence that criminality is largely based on zip code how well the economic system is being rationed whether the economy is growing or shrinking etc. I see something like what you wrote that trans people live in crime infested areas and I know they often do have to become sex trafficked due to people in positions of power not respecting them or their talents, or I hear they are from another minority category so it doesn't count in some way....which is a bizarre dismissal.

"Who is behind the murders? Mostly black men". What the fuck does that have to do with remembering transgendered people who are killed.

So you have someone make a post, saying "remember to be kinder to Trans people because they have hard lives", and Andy Ngo makes a post saying "they don't have it that bad, and black men are garbage". That is not stating a fact. That is him being a piece of shit and ringing your dog whistle bro.


Quote (Skinned @ 26 Nov 2019 07:26)
Violent street crime has been steadily decreasing for decades as social support infrastructures have been developed and access to healthcare spreading. It is true if you're black you're more likely to be a victim of crime, and if you have a gender identity that isn't accepted by many people you are more likely to be a victim of a crime. If you are a racial and gender minority you are a lot more likely to be a victim of crimes than a caucasian person with a socially acceptable gender identity aka Americas most privileged.

You can say all that more honestly and less racistly. Facts can be racist when they are manipulated by people to make those who are gullible buy into their ideology, that White Man's Burden thing.

Intersectionality is the approach you wish to take if you're concerned about justice.

If all people of color, gays, liberals, immigrants, religious minorities etc, wrote a letter to the scared white people saying we appreciate your contributions as America's special people would that make a difference?

Or is transgender remembrance just Andy Ngo "black men suck too day"?

I can't wait until February...



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looks like it’s clear why you hate andy ngo: facts are harmful to election-deniers and math-deniers such as yourself

Quote (Goomshill @ 26 Nov 2019 07:03)

oof, commie bamboozled by facts yet again so he went on a couple dear diary rage-essays complaining about minorities and February lmfao

This post was edited by excellence on Nov 26 2019 07:10am
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https://i.redd.it/4lkg6hskwt041.png

kek

looks like it’s clear why you hate andy ngo: facts are harmful to election-deniers and math-deniers such as yourself


oof, commie bamboozled by facts yet again so he went on a couple dear diary rage-essays complaining about minorities and February lmfao


If Augustus and Julius Caesar can both get months named after them, maybe we'll just rename February into the new month of Donus
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