They have been planning for +/- around 2 years.


https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-hamas-war-gaza-strip/card/hamas-says-its-attack-on-israel-was-planned-for-two-years-1VCaFNgV3H2e4bGsBUAm

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Oct 13 2023 04:38pm

Are you actually serious? I mean that.

You really think Hamas thought it wouldn't come with massive retaliation? You think they can plan an unknown attack on a world super power but don't have the mind to know it comes with massive retaliation.

Is this wishful thinking so that you can not think of all the little kids that are going to die in the wake of this retaliation?

I can't even fathom how someone could think that Hamas didn't know this would come back.

Hamas is an oppressive dictator that puts bullets in the heads of people who stand against.

The people of Gaza are not the people of Hamas, just like they are not Hamases people.

It's no different than the vast majority of cruel dictatorships I'm the world

I opened this conversation with some people just want to see it burn and chaos, nothing in this conversation has swayed me from it.

I think people just need justification to slaughter innocence to help sleep at night and it's easier to say they're Hamases people.

This post was edited by SBD on Oct 13 2023 04:41pm

just refusing to acknowledge the atrocities and human rights abuses of one side doesn't mean they don't exist.

your dehumanising language (scum of the earth...) followed by dishonest generalisation and blatant lies, in order to "justify" your unwavering support for invaders (russia) and occupiers (israel), for racists (far right politicians) and war criminals (russia and israel), is nothing new, it just surprises me how you always manage to completely flip that around in your head...

clutching your pearls about WORDS from idiots far away from the conflict in question, shouting "death to israel" (something i neither condone nor would ever do myself btw), while repeatedly downplaying the ACTIONS of israel (indiscriminately slaughtering countless innocent civilians), just perfectly illustrates your MASSIVE double standard.


on a related note:

i would love to have a good faith conversation about a serious problem that you mentioned, something that i DO acknowledge: actual anti-semitism (not the criticism of israel's apartheid and occupation policies, but the hatred of jewish people in general) is indeed a thing with many (not all or even a majority, but noticable) muslims living amongst us - and it's something that concerns me a great deal, because i genuinely fear for the safety of jewish people in many western countries, including germany unfortunately.
however, your simplistic black and white approach, your complete refusal to acknowledge one side's crimes, your blatant lies about my position and statements, about who and what i support, and what i oppose, make it literally impossible to have an honest or serious debate with you.

you have shown no nuance, no intellectual honesty, no degree of fairness or seriousness addressing this issue, you have (like always) resorted to uncritically regurgitating one side's propaganda, and fully committed to a simplistic team sports mentality.

This post was edited by fender on Oct 13 2023 04:49pm

I didn't say opinions need to be proven. I merely pointed out that can't tell opinion and fact apart. And you can't, either. Lmao.



You shouldn't let people on the internet get to you so easily.

You really think Hamas thought it wouldn't come with massive retaliation? You think they can plan an unknown attack on a world super power but don't have the mind to know it comes with massive retaliation.
I can't even fathom how someone could think that Hamas didn't know this would come back.

Exactly, so what is Israel supposed to do? Do nothing because hamas hides behind civilians is not an option and never was. That is the whole conflict - otherwise hamas would be gone a long time ago.

Hamas is an oppressive dictator that puts bullets in the heads of people who stand against.

Seems like you understand the situation and the urge for them to disappear. But there is no way to do so without targeting their factories, ammunitions, soldiers who all happen to be in civilians way.

We already had this exact conversation, go back and read where I said they do but there can still be humanity.

There’s no point discussing this with a rabid Zionist like yourself. Do the universe a service and just shut the fuck up. Respectfully

You know, all things considered, after all our "philosophical wanna-be keyboarding warrioning", I still don't see how this conflict can be resolved without force. Just the sheer amount of times this conflict has tried to be resolved by the world only for Israel to disagree or for Hamas to fake crease fire and then cowardly do this terrorist shit, which then causes Israel to disproportionally retaliate and/or grab more land.

It's like this never ending cesspool cycle.

What if the United Nations took over Palestine and was in charge of raising the "next generation" of Palestines? Putting most of the UNs security forces and hired guns to keep the place conflict free for a few decades and also keep Israel in check for a few decades, that way we can avoid terrorism followed by disproportional retaliation, causing the next generation to grow up fatherless being radicalized.

After all, its the UN who tried to split the land between the two xD

This post was edited by iBruno on Oct 13 2023 04:51pm

tells himself, "every war has civilian casualties" so that he can watch Israel kill regular Palestinians with a clear conscience.

40 murdered toddlers in diapers, beheaded children
260 teenagers at a peace rave
Elderly kidnapped
3000 rockets in less than 30 minutes shot towards israeli civilians
and unfortunately much more slaughtering

hamas acted exactly like isis did

humanity was never an option

This post was edited by Elyran on Oct 13 2023 04:51pm