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Jan 4 2023 02:34pm
Quote (fender @ Jan 4 2023 12:31pm)
learn to read, camboy. i said there are legitimate criticisms of the WEF, and there are those made out of bigotry, just uncritically following right wing propaganda.

case in point, none of you was able to actually provide an ARGUMENT as to why mccarthy would be worse than any of the other corporate owned clowns.


not that i expect someone like you, who repeatedly sided with white nationalists and great replacement theorists in the past, to have a principled position against anti-semitic dogwhistles now, of course...


I don't like the WEF

People are completely right about the WEF

McCarthy is quite good, I would vote him for speaker, something is going on here with the voter holdouts, perhaps they are making re-litigating the 2020 election as a condition for their vote
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Jan 4 2023 02:56pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Jan 4 2023 09:22pm)
You admit they're right but you made up a conspiracy that they say it because they just hate jews. Classy as usual.


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Jan 4 2023 03:01pm
Quote (mki @ Jan 4 2023 03:28pm)
If you want an intelligent comment: Here you go.


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You're aware that there are many lobbyist organizations that the left wing media constantly bashes on correct?
Like the many organizations funded by the Koch brothers?

Yes, quite aware.

Imagine if I threw up my hands and said "Koch who? sounds like a qanon conspiracy!" and insisted they are just some guys like any other.

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So lets talk about the Koch funded lobbyist groups and fossil fuels for a second:

As much as people want to pretend like they hate fossil fuels and that fossil fuel companies are evil, here's the problem: We didn't have a better solution until a few years ago. The main benefit to using fossil fuels is that one of the most important components to fuel a combustion engine happens to be the air itself. So you don't need to drive around with a giant air tank on your car because your car's engine can just pull in fresh air as it drives. Now that solar energy is substantially cheaper than any form of fossil fuels, (which is simply due to the mechanical advantage of not having to do any work to generate energy from the sun, the panel is stationary), we are seeing a massive shift aware from fossil fuels and realistically speaking: It does seem like the free market will actually work out in the long run simply because green energy costs less... That has actually been a fossil fuel company talking point for like 50+ years.


This is perhaps mostly irrelevant and I disagree on the extent that its the free market deciding which energy is used, but we have some common ground here.

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As far as the media:

So for years there's been all these writers that have been bashing on right/libertarian leaning lobbyist organizations and obviously there are people in the right wing media that think it's unfair.

So we've got Michael Walsh, who is a big right wing media writer, who's sitting here scratching his head thinking "Wow it would be great if there was some left leaning organization that I could bash on just like they do to us."

So, I really hope that you're not going to be too shocked to find out that the WEF is indeed a left leaning lobbyist organization that promotes concepts like universal healthcare...

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/world-economic-forum/

Wow, so it's not really a surprise that people like Michael Walsh are saying bad things about the WEF is it?


My life and worldview do not revolve around michael walsh and what he opposes. Forget Michael Walsh. This isn't about him.
The fact that he is supposedly a right wing writer that you really don't like means nothing.
It certainly does not mean the WEF is no big deal.
As many people often do, you are more concerned with who is supporting something rather than the content of the issue.

I think about what is true and what is right and wrong.

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Finally:

So do you understand the media back and forth now and understand that basically all of it is complete bullshit?

Lobbyist organizations don't actually have any authority to do anything under US law besides talk to politicians and donate money to them...

Some organizations like the Heritage Foundation will actually spend money on behalf of politicians to write the actual text of the laws, but they don't vote on it...

That's what politicians do.


This is very naive and woefully underestimating a group of extremely powerful and wealthy people with a sinister agenda.. a group you weren't aware existed until today, apparently.

'There are right wing groups too!' - There is no equivalency between the kochs or heritage and the WEF.
Bringing them up does not really address the points we were talking about nor does it make you any more aware of the WEF and qualified to dismiss them as just some lobbying group with a qanon-level conspiracy about them.
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Jan 4 2023 03:04pm
Quote (El1te @ Jan 4 2023 03:34pm)
I don't like the WEF

People are completely right about the WEF

McCarthy is quite good, I would vote him for speaker, something is going on here with the voter holdouts, perhaps they are making re-litigating the 2020 election as a condition for their vote


McCarthy is rightly seen as an establishment swamp creature and a business as usual guy. He is also endorsed by Trump.
Many of these people were elected because people wanted change. Less spending and more freedom.
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Jan 4 2023 03:07pm
Quote (Redeemed777 @ Jan 4 2023 03:31pm)
A democrat talking about wasted tax $$… oh the irony


They should just elect a guy who is ok with increasing the trillions and trillions of government spending.. to save money!

They only pretend to care about spending when something is happening that they don't like. A government 'shutdown', a stalled speaker vote. etc.
The act of opposing our fiscal irresponsibility is fiscally irresponsible! ..So do what we want

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Jan 4 2023 03:32pm
Quote (El1te @ Jan 4 2023 12:34pm)
I don't like the WEF

People are completely right about the WEF

McCarthy is quite good, I would vote him for speaker, something is going on here with the voter holdouts, perhaps they are making re-litigating the 2020 election as a condition for their vote


mccarthy sold out to the dems saying jan 6th was an insurrection. that why fraud lefties want him so much why they puttin up bich threads on jsp
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DEEEEAAAAMMMMMMMMM LOL watch this
Boebert goes after Trump for his support for McCarthy


HAHAHAHA some one calling him McRhino

This post was edited by TiStuff on Jan 4 2023 03:57pm
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Jan 4 2023 03:38pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ 4 Jan 2023 16:01)
This is very naive and woefully underestimating a group of extremely powerful and wealthy people with a sinister agenda.. a group you weren't aware existed until today, apparently.


Universal healthcare is a "sinister" agenda? I think they got you man... You may not agree with their agenda, but calling it sinister is more than stretching the truth.

Quote (cambovenzi @ 4 Jan 2023 16:01)
'There are right wing groups too!' - There is no equivalency between the kochs or heritage and the WEF.
Bringing them up does not really address the points we were talking about nor does it make you any more aware of the WEF and qualified to dismiss them as just some lobbying group with a qanon-level conspiracy about them.


I was not trying to create false equivalency. I am trying to paint the picture that the media goes through a back and forth type of exchange with the material they publish and I am just explaining to you what is going on there. You're correct in the sense that each of those organizations is completely unique. It's pretty easy for me to dismiss it because it's clearly not true and if you are worried about it, then maybe you should be more concerned about something that could actually affect you, like the arsenic and mercury levels in the food you eat. The WEF is a pretty weird "boogeyman" to be worried about.

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Jan 4 2023 03:40pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Jan 4 2023 04:07pm)
They should just elect a guy who is ok with increasing the trillions and trillions of government spending.. to save money!

They only pretend to care about spending when something is happening that they don't like. A government 'shutdown', a stalled speaker vote. etc.
The act of opposing our fiscal irresponsibility is fiscally irresponsible! ..So do what we want


Lol as if democrats don’t waste fully spend… the don’t change definitions of words such as recession or the definition of what a vaccine is. Very communist, no surprise to be honest… considering they’re the party of the KKK. :o my shocked face
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Jan 4 2023 03:50pm
Quote (Redeemed777 @ 4 Jan 2023 16:40)
Lol as if democrats don’t waste fully spend… the don’t change definitions of words such as recession or the definition of what a vaccine is. Very communist, no surprise to be honest… considering they’re the party of the KKK. :o my shocked face


The dixiecrats that were responsible for the KKK would be modern day republicans.

As a reminder: Conservatism just means people who favor traditional values and liberalism is just people who favor innovation in society. So yeah, at some point in time, forming an organization like the KKK would be considered to be a "liberal action." African people used to be slaves in the US, so moving away from that and towards organizations like the KKK would not be "traditional." Obviously the oldest piece of "traditionalism" is the Bible in the US and Christians were generally fine with slavery at the time.

Also, the political parties in the US do not squarely align with all republicans being conservatives and all democrats being liberal. There certainly are conservative democrats (Joe Manchin) and liberal republicans (Susan Collins), granted it's less common.

There's all sorts of examples of this type of stuff in US history, like the Liberal Republican party who actively supported Democrats.

Also, most republicans support liberal thinking in fields outside of politics: The US economic system is called neoliberalism, which is a highly innovative form of free market capitalism.

Edit: Fiscal conservatism, which is a financial concept that I strongly agree with, simply means reducing government spending and then reducing taxes. The concept is that it keeps inflation low, so if you are the saver type of person, the money you have safely in the bank is not experiencing a drop in buying power over time due to inflation. If the government has enough revenue from taxes, it doesn't need the federal reserve to add new money to the money supply, which preserves the scarcity of the US dollar.

This post was edited by mki on Jan 4 2023 03:58pm
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The dixiecrats that were responsible for the KKK would be modern day republicans.

As a reminder: Conservatism just means people who favor traditional values and liberalism is just people who favor innovation in society. So yeah, at some point in time, forming an organization like the KKK would be considered to be a "liberal action." African people used to be slaves in the US, so moving away from that and towards organizations like the KKK would not be "traditional." Obviously the oldest piece of "traditionalism" is the Bible in the US and Christians were generally fine with slavery at the time.

Also, the political parties in the US do not squarely align with all republicans being conservatives and all democrats being liberal. There certainly are conservative democrats (Joe Manchin) and liberal republicans (Susan Collins), granted it's less common.

There's all sorts of examples of this type of stuff in US history, like the Liberal Republican party who actively supported Democrats.

Also, most republicans support liberal thinking in fields outside of politics: The US economic system is called neoliberalism, which is a highly innovative form of free market capitalism.


I stopped reading after Dixiecrats 🤧 bc just like changing definitions on words such as vaccines and recession done by the left is why I stopped reading bc you’ve been fooled. We’ve had enough talks for me to know you don’t know history frrrrrrp
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