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Aug 9 2022 01:36am
Quote (HeLiCaL @ Aug 8 2022 08:04pm)
*public brainwashing of underage children into cutting off their breasts/genitals*
fascist left-wing cultist: i sleep (& support that anyway)

*politicized FBI aka arm of the Democratic party raiding somon not convicted of any crime*
fascist left-wing cultist: we are on the right side of history!!!!

:rofl: :rofl:


Irony by the trumplicans, at its finest.
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Aug 9 2022 01:48am
Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 9 2022 12:30am)
Pursuing his fruitless legal challenges and vain constitution gimmicks. No different than the Democrats who tried to hold up Trump's ratification 4 years earlier. The system is resilient enough to shrug off baseless challenges. If Pence had joined in the effort and refused to certify the vote like Trump wanted, what would have happened? It would be challenged in court, and within 24 hours the Supreme Court would have ruled that Pence holds only a formality not a constitutional power and nothing would have changed. Same for presenting a contesting slate of electors or begging investigators to find some non-existent evidence of fraud he could latch onto.



I'd also like to think that even stretched as it is now, our nation is resilient enough that a civilian president simply lacks the capacity to cling to power, that any attempt to force the issue by action and declare martial law or roll in tanks or crown himself king would be scoffed at and fail. We don't need Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell carrying daggers under their toga to intercept Trump as he walks to the theater.


Given that Trump kept pushing the envelope even though he lost several cases, why wouldn't he just ignore the Supreme Court? Presidents have done that in the past and a substantial amount of Americans would have supported his actions (including many on this forum!) The Court would just be labeled as "illegitimate" and that would be that.

You give our nation too much credit. We're a large country and there are enough people where even a very small minority can overwhelm law enforcement, the national guard, etc. with ease. I think if you have the right people in the right places, a coup would be fairly easy to execute in this country. Honestly, the biggest deterrent is that being President is such a shit job. Someone with dictatorial tendencies has many other opportunities they can pursue that are more lucrative, abusive, etc.
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Aug 9 2022 01:54am
Quote (thundercock @ 9 Aug 2022 09:35)
It seems to me that Trump has the necessary infrastructure, institutional support, and democratic support to go through the primary without a sweat. Given the reaction the right has had over a fairly minor raid, what could possibly convince folks to NOT support Trump?

A better alternative.

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We're a large country and there are enough people where even a very small minority can overwhelm law enforcement, the national guard, etc. with ease. I think if you have the right people in the right places, a coup would be fairly easy to execute in this country.

I really don't think it's as easy as that. Sure, if you have loyalists in a few key places, you can stage a coup and declare yourself president/king for a day or maybe a week. But pulling off a lasting coup - I really don't think that's easy at all. You would need to have the support of the military to do that, and of at least ~40-45% of the people too.
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Aug 9 2022 02:13am
Quote (thundercock @ Aug 9 2022 02:48am)
Given that Trump kept pushing the envelope even though he lost several cases, why wouldn't he just ignore the Supreme Court? Presidents have done that in the past and a substantial amount of Americans would have supported his actions (including many on this forum!) The Court would just be labeled as "illegitimate" and that would be that.

You give our nation too much credit. We're a large country and there are enough people where even a very small minority can overwhelm law enforcement, the national guard, etc. with ease. I think if you have the right people in the right places, a coup would be fairly easy to execute in this country. Honestly, the biggest deterrent is that being President is such a shit job. Someone with dictatorial tendencies has many other opportunities they can pursue that are more lucrative, abusive, etc.


I give the nation the credit its due. We're at risk of fracturing, we're not already there. We're not vulnerable to a coup, but we're not immune to it. Trump wasn't a direct commander of a standing army like Lincoln was, he simply didn't have the force required to channel ex parte merryman. Coups require legitimacy above all else, there's a reason that historical despots placed such inordinate focus on claimed birthrights and successions. If some pretender to the throne besieged D.C. and seized the capitol, the rest of the nation wouldn't regard them as a valid monarch. The whole of congress could get machine gunned tomorrow by the Gildeadean revolutionaries, and in a years time we'd be holding special elections for new ones. They're just replaceable bureaucrats.

Trump never had the means to cling to power and he never tried it. He can bluster all day long and throw tantrums and bawl his eyes out, our democracy was never placed into existential danger by his petty rhetoric.
Not the same for the Biden regime and Merrick Garland toying with the toolkit of despots. Its fire in the hands of arsonists.
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Aug 9 2022 02:15am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 9 2022 12:54am)
A better alternative.


I really don't think it's as easy as that. Sure, if you have loyalists in a few key places, you can stage a coup and declare yourself president/king for a day or maybe a week. But pulling off a lasting coup - I really don't think that's easy at all. You would need to have the support of the military to do that, and of at least ~40-45% of the people too.


Given the current mood, I don't think that the person exists. When you look at all the candidates and what each candidate brings to the table, Trump is simply the best by a large margin. Even if this magic candidate (or candidates) existed, can you really trust GOP voters to VOTE for that better alternative? Weren't there about 20 better alternatives in 2016? Lastly, that candidate will be attacked by Trump. Can they withstand the attack? I think one possible window of a Trump failure is if he announces a run before the midterms and the Dems end up with a trifecta because of it. Even then, Trump is an EXCELLENT campaigner and would probably be able to hold onto just enough support to win the primary.

IMO, a lasting coup requires one of two things:
1) Quick stability to ensure that the people on the sidelines don't really care all that much
2) The ability to crush the opposition when they openly rebel.

I could see either one happening in America.
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Aug 9 2022 02:47am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 8 2022 11:12pm)
^Goomshill let me be try to be as clear as I can: your interpretation of Trump's post-election behavior would have merit if Trump had accepted the result of the election once the dozens of lawsuits had been slapped down, without exception, by federal judges, many of them appointed by himself. If Trump had then went ahead and said "I exhausted my legal options and lawful rights, seems like Biden really did win this election. Congratulations, Mr. President-elect", then and only then would you have a point.

But as we all know, this is not what happened; Trump continued to insist of his theory of the stolen election in spite of mounting evidence to the contrary. Which is of course no surprise since these claims were never genuine, they were always just a ploy by Trump so that he could avoid the stigma of being a loser and retain, at a minimum, his power over the GOP.


to bad you have me blocked. things people will do to protect their world preference. election fraud is obvious.......

Who gave the order for vote counting to stop on Nov 3, 2020? 11.03.21
https://www.bitchute.com/video/jo70PgHrUjUY/

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Quote (thundercock @ 9 Aug 2022 10:15)
Given the current mood, I don't think that the person exists. When you look at all the candidates and what each candidate brings to the table, Trump is simply the best by a large margin. Even if this magic candidate (or candidates) existed, can you really trust GOP voters to VOTE for that better alternative?Weren't there about 20 better alternatives in 2016? Lastly, that candidate will be attacked by Trump. Can they withstand the attack? I think one possible window of a Trump failure is if he announces a run before the midterms and the Dems end up with a trifecta because of it. Even then, Trump is an EXCELLENT campaigner and would probably be able to hold onto just enough support to win the primary.

No, I genuinely don't think so. Cruz and JEB! would have been crushed in the general. As would Carson, Paul, Huckabee and Santorum. Christie was scandal-plague and would have been defined over it by Democrats. Rubio and Kasich might have won because Hillary was that detested, but I can also easily see their popular vote margin ending at +/-1% while losing the EC.

The 2016 GOP field was quite weak if we're being honest, which is the reason why an outsider like Trump was able to waltz in and wipe the floor with all of them in the first place. And Trump's coalition was super efficient in the EC while that of e.g. Romney was at a distinct disadvantage. All in all, Trump was probably the strongest candidate from this field.


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IMO, a lasting coup requires one of two things:
1) Quick stability to ensure that the people on the sidelines don't really care all that much
2) The ability to crush the opposition when they openly rebel.

I could see either one happening in America.

With how hyperpolarized America is, I don't see 1) happening, and considering how armed and unruly Americans are, I also cannot see 2) happening easily. I can only imagine a successful coup if the coupists have the full support of the military.

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that is funny :)

Quote (WNxIrvine @ Aug 8 2022 11:43pm)
Don't break the law kids. Easy.


tell it to Burn Loot and Murder watch them laugh at you

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 9 2022 12:07am)
In action, he "accepted" his loss only after his desperate last ditch effort on Jan 6 had failed, after it became apparent that a majority of the country just didn't buy into his claims of a stolen election and that no institution would side with him if he tried to remain in office via force. He stopped trying because he had run out of feasible options. If "not delusionally holding on to the WH carpet as secret service agents literally drag him out of the building on the day of Biden's inauguration" clears your bar for "acceptance", then you have lower standards than I thought.





Whether Trump's actions and rhetoric on Jan 6 rise to the level of legal culpability is a different question than whether he is guilty, morally and in spirit, of riling up a rowdy crowd of supporters and sending the mob to the Capitol with the explicit goal of pressuring lawmakers into not certifying Biden's election.


meh bullchit bich ass lying fraud democrats screeched for years trump stole 2016



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Aug 9 2022 03:01am
Quote (thundercock @ Aug 9 2022 12:48am)
Given that Trump kept pushing the envelope even though he lost several cases, why wouldn't he just ignore the Supreme Court? Presidents have done that in the past and a substantial amount of Americans would have supported his actions (including many on this forum!) The Court would just be labeled as "illegitimate" and that would be that.

You give our nation too much credit. We're a large country and there are enough people where even a very small minority can overwhelm law enforcement, the national guard, etc. with ease. I think if you have the right people in the right places, a coup would be fairly easy to execute in this country. Honestly, the biggest deterrent is that being President is such a shit job. Someone with dictatorial tendencies has many other opportunities they can pursue that are more lucrative, abusive, etc.


um?
Who gave the order for vote counting to stop on Nov 3, 2020? 11.03.21
https://www.bitchute.com/video/jo70PgHrUjUY/




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