first gen smart phones were a god damn mess lol. they had storage issues, apps were laughably simplistic, and internet coverage sucked for a long time. people literally said the same type things about smartphone issues in the early days you're saying now. "my ipod has 20 gb, why would i want a 1 gb iphone", "coverage is awful i cant wait 5 mins to load an email", "battery life on these is awful im not going everywhere with a charging cord", "the price point is too high for average consumers", etc.

I'm not saying somalis will be driving teslas in 15 years, but if u dont think average first world consumers will all have EVs in 20 or so years i think you're crazy and disregard exponential progress patterns.

then 3rd worlders will be demanding self driving cars the same way they demanded internet access.

The first smartphone (iPhone 1) was released in 2007, four years later, in 2011, the "smartphone revolution" was already in full swing and the technological and software shortcomings were being fixed rapidly.

The first EVs were released by Tesla in 2008 (Roadster) or 2012 (Model S). Ten years later, the market share of EVs is still small, they still need to be heavily subsidized and are artificialy pushed into the market by politics (announcing deadlines after which ICE cars will be banned), and the progress on their technological issues is still slow. And that's not even addressing the shortage of rare earths that the world will run into if everyone switches to EVs, an issue which smartphones didn't have because their batteries are magnitudes smaller.

Yes, first world consumers will drive EVs in 20 or so years - but that's because politics banned the alternative, not because EVs organically outcompeted ICE cars.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 4 2022 10:25am

i didnt say it was a 1:1 equal situation. of course an actual fully autonomous electric vehicle capable of driving several hundred mile road trips by itself has more hurdles to jump than a smart phone.

but teslas design from an engineering standpoint isn't a side step. base models have a 1-60 time faster than many gas powered super cars, the torque increase is insane, and autonomous driving could make a serious impact on automobile accidents, specifically drunk driving.

tesla has made it a point to pair EVs with autonomous driving just to avoid being a sidestep.

BMW, Audi and other premium car manufacturers have been working on autonomous driving for about a decade too. At the end of the day, the type of engine (electric or fossil) and autonomous driving are different things which don't necessarily go hand in hand. Introducing autonomous ICE cars would not pose any additional technological challenges.

I wouldn't say that the torque differences and reaction time differences of ICE vs Electric is inconsequential.

tesla is apple, they have been the first to debut autonomous driving, and the samsung, LG, etc brands will indeed follow.

Sure, but again: my argument was that EVs don't offer much performance improvements over classic cars. Your point that autonomous driving is a big leap forward is true, but not necessarily tied to EVs and therefore not a real counterexample to my argument.

Btw, premium turbodiesels have tremendous torque too.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 4 2022 10:51am

tesla model s without even getting into cheetah mode 0-60 = 2.45 seconds

Lamborghini Aventado = 2.9 seconds.

its a 1000 hp daily driver car that outpaces a freaking Lamborghini supercar.

i just plain disagree about the tech advantages EV torque, rpm, and relative HP have over ICE models.

Maybe. Still, I think these factors are far outweighed by EVs inferior cost, range, charging time, vulnerability to extreme temperatures as well as lifespan.

i think tesla has this planned for. atm its a high end price point car for people who want to go stupid fast and dont plan to drive it far. that's how they've gained brand recognition. videos of people going stupid fast like its a rocket ship while they work on more dependable and durable baseline models for a more broad range of consumers. soon they'll have a tighter tolerance long lasting car that does an around 4 second 0-60 that's far more workable for people. but the tech space is all about wowing people that cant even dream of affording your product, so that either they get rich and buy it or wait for the cheaper model and payment plan but the envy they had stays with them.

although that's admittedly a model Apple that i used in my initial comparison didnt follow, they're still pumping out wildly overpriced garbage to the masses and selling people on 4 year payment plans for phones they'll trade in in 2 years at most. their fanboy culture has always defied logic to me, i hate apple products and havent owned one since i got a 20 gb ipod many years ago before there were even viable alternatives. i was just tired of CDs skipping in my car and wanted to listen to audiobooks.

I really doubt that Telsa will ever be anything but a premium product. The established volume manufacturers like Ford, VW, Fiat or Toyota will take the mass market if you ask me.
We're fully agreeing on Apple being overpriced crap. They're doing a remarkable job at branding and cultivating their core customer base though, so respect where respect is due.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 4 2022 11:30am