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Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 31 2022 03:19pm)
no. as i said previously we can create subjective categories, and nature can create objective categories. but not all categories are subjective.

nature creates animals that through bites and stings can kill other animals with venom and poison. this category of animals existed millions of years before we created terms for this method of killing.

we belong to an infinite number of useless categories, and a number of useful ones too. some subjective, some objective.


Who decides which categories are objective?

and before you answer on how we decide, I can just turn every argument you use back on you, because you are wrong. So be prepared before you even start.

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The Bugis people of Indonesia recognize five genders: oroane (manly men), makkunrai (womanly women), calabai (womanly men), calalai (manly women), and bissu (half-male and half-female).The oroane and makkunrai fit what was once thought of as the traditional definitions of men and women, respectively. Calabai are men who behave like women. Despite this, they do not like to be considered as women.
On the other hand, calalai are women who behave like men. They dress like men, have male mannerisms, and take on traditionally male jobs.
The bissus occupy a position between men and women, even though they are neither. Nevertheless, they dress like men and women at the same time. They are also believed to be half-human, half-deities who have magical powers and can be possessed by spirits.
They are even said to be the first creatures to have appeared on Earth.
There are two ways to be a bissu. The first is to be a hermaphrodite, having both male and female reproductive organs. The other is to have a soul belonging to the opposite sex. For instance, a women believed to have the soul of a man is considered a bissu and vice versa. Sometimes, this method allows calalais and calabais to become bissus.
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We do categorize people into big and small, and quite often, but it's far less important and leaves far less of a societal mark. Categorization based on sex is perhaps both the most obvious and the most useful categorization we can come up with, as it would be to every animal where sexual dimorphism is present.

I've met ostensibly educated people (i.e. members of the college educated managerial class) who refuse to believe that even very weak men are physically superior to the vast majority of women. Some of them refuse to believe there's a physical difference between men and women at all. They frame the world differently, and in large part because they've been taught to disregard the importance of more traditional frames of reference. The only thing "wrong" about it is that it's not a particularly useful frame through which to comprehend reality.


i did this in highschool as a wrestler who told the varsity women basket ball players i'd beat them 1v1. when i got the ball i'd turn around and slowly walk backwards while dribbling, once under the rim i'd pivot and make a layup. they got past me some times, they made shots, they missed shots, and they got stuffed many times. but i scored every time, doing the exact same thing, with literal zero basketball skill. i couldnt even shoot 50% from the freethrow line.
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Who decides which categories are objective?

and before you answer on how we decide, I can just turn every argument you use back on you, because you are wrong. So be prepared before you even start.


no one decides them, they simply are or aren't. that's what objective means.

no need to get emotional.

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“Two-spirit” is a catchall word for intersex, half-male and half-female, female male, and male female in Native American culture. Generally, anyone belonging to one gender but believed to have the characteristics of the other gender is considered to be a two-spirit. They often do work associated with both genders and are usually considered a good omen.Male females marry women, while female males marry men. Many of us would consider this to be homosexuality, but Native Americans do not. Female males used to be called berdache. The Spanish colonists that first arrived in the Americas labeled them homosexuals, leading to discrimination against them at the time.The discrimination continued when Christian missionaries got involved at the beginning of the 20th century, causing many berdaches to commit suicide. Berdaches resurfaced in the 1960s when Native American and gay activism gained a foothold in the US. In the 1990s, they dumped the already-abused berdache name for two-spirits.


Oh look another culture that had multiple genders, oh look who put an end to their culture!
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“Two-spirit” is a catchall word for intersex, half-male and half-female, female male, and male female in Native American culture. Generally, anyone belonging to one gender but believed to have the characteristics of the other gender is considered to be a two-spirit. They often do work associated with both genders and are usually considered a good omen.Male females marry women, while female males marry men. Many of us would consider this to be homosexuality, but Native Americans do not. Female males used to be called berdache. The Spanish colonists that first arrived in the Americas labeled them homosexuals, leading to discrimination against them at the time.The discrimination continued when Christian missionaries got involved at the beginning of the 20th century, causing many berdaches to commit suicide. Berdaches resurfaced in the 1960s when Native American and gay activism gained a foothold in the US. In the 1990s, they dumped the already-abused berdache name for two-spirits.


Oh look another culture that had multiple genders, oh look who put an end to their culture!


them being a good omen speaks to their rare occurrence even in a society where they arent ostracized.
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Who decides which categories are objective?



Nature :)
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them being a good omen speaks to their rare occurrence even in a society where they arent ostracized.


Sure but they were still recognised, this next one is great though..

Old Judaism recognized six genders: zachar, nekeivah, androgynos, ay’lonit, saris, and tumtum. A zachar is male, a nekeivah is female, and an androgynos is half-male, half-female. An ay’lonit is a female who becomes male at puberty, a saris is a male who becomes a female at puberty, and a tumtum has an indeterminate gender.The fact that tumtums were of an indefinite gender allowed them to enjoy perks associated with both males and females. They could get married to men and women. However, the gender of their marriage partner determined the gender role they would assume. A tumtum who married a woman assumed the gender role of a husband, while a tumtum who married a man assumed the gender role of a wife.

Here we have it guys, the roots of christianity.

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no one decides them, they simply are or aren't. that's what objective means.

no need to get emotional.


How do you determine which are objective?
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