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#161
Jan 26 2022 06:09pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jan 26 2022 06:04pm)
The fact that you're still repeating that the state is taking away a right to life is enough to dismiss you on this subject. Medical rationing based on medical outcomes is fundamentally not the same and it just shows your dishonesty that you are still repeating it.


Telling someone that they need to be left to die because of the color of their skin, when they would have received life-saving care if they were the "right" skin color, is some straight up nazi stuff. There's no reductio ad hitlerum when it comes to killing people based on their race.
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Jan 26 2022 06:18pm
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Telling someone that they need to be left to die because of the color of their skin, when they would have received life-saving care if they were the "right" skin color, is some straight up nazi stuff. There's no reductio ad hitlerum when it comes to killing people based on their race.


strawmanning the issue in order to project your own racism onto others is not very effective. the only people buying that type of hackery are those that are already racist scum that don't need your convincing, so you might as well stop.
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Jan 26 2022 07:03pm
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strawmanning the issue in order to project your own racism onto others is not very effective. the only people buying that type of hackery are those that are already racist scum that don't need your convincing, so you might as well stop.



Of course a nazi would defend that type of behavior.
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#164
Jan 26 2022 09:44pm
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It really doesn't.

Theres a difference between targeting policing and evaluating medical outcomes that fundamentally changes the calculus.

The similarities are actually striking:

Both when it comes to health outcomes and crime rates, white and non-white communities are differentially effected. In both cases, interventions by a public institution (treatment/policing) can alleviate the issue, but the resources to do so are scarce and it's not trivial to distribute them in optimal fashion. In both cases, allocation by race is an easy and efficient proxy for the complex socio-economic causes behind the racial disparities in outcome. In both cases, allocating interventions by the proxy 'race' would see some persons get screwed because they happen to have the "wrong" skin color.

The major difference: in the case of the scoring system for triage, it's whites who get shafted while it's blacks who get shafted by racial profiling.
So, what exactly is the big difference that fundamentally changes the calculus and makes my comparison invalid?
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Jan 26 2022 09:57pm
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The similarities are actually striking:

Both when it comes to health outcomes and crime rates, white and non-white communities are differentially effected. In both cases, interventions by a public institution (treatment/policing) can alleviate the issue, but the resources to do so are scarce and it's not trivial to distribute them in optimal fashion. In both cases, allocation by race is an easy and efficient proxy for the complex socio-economic causes behind the racial disparities in outcome. In both cases, allocating interventions by the proxy 'race' would see some persons get screwed because they happen to have the "wrong" skin color.

The major difference: in the case of the scoring system for triage, it's whites who get shafted while it's blacks who get shafted by racial profiling.
So, what exactly is the big difference that fundamentally changes the calculus and makes my comparison invalid?


there you go, buddy:

Quote (fender @ 27 Jan 2022 00:38)
here's the crayon version for racist scum thinking policing and healthcare are somehow similar and therefore fair comparisons: criminal behaviour is not reliably predicted by race, but by socio-economic factors. meaning racial profiling based on previous racial discrimination is just adding one discrimination on top of a previous one. on the other hand, SOME medical conditions / deficiencies / risks CAN be reasonably safely predicted by race. addressing this in an attempt to create favourable outcomes during a global pandemic can NOT be locically turned into an argument in favour of racial profiling. only truly disgusting, racist hacks would even attempt to try that - as seen in this thread, by the usual suspects...

race has literally NO impact on criminal behaviour.
race CAN have an impact on medical conditions / deficiencies / risks.


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Jan 26 2022 09:58pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 26 2022 09:44pm)
The similarities are actually striking:

Both when it comes to health outcomes and crime rates, white and non-white communities are differentially effected. In both cases, interventions by a public institution (treatment/policing) can alleviate the issue, but the resources to do so are scarce and it's not trivial to distribute them in optimal fashion. In both cases, allocation by race is an easy and efficient proxy for the complex socio-economic causes behind the racial disparities in outcome. In both cases, allocating interventions by the proxy 'race' would see some persons get screwed because they happen to have the "wrong" skin color.

The major difference: in the case of the scoring system for triage, it's whites who get shafted while it's blacks who get shafted by racial profiling.
So, what exactly is the big difference that fundamentally changes the calculus and makes my comparison invalid?


Because in one case you're violating people's rights, and in the other you aren't.

Pretty easy bro.
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Jan 26 2022 10:19pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jan 26 2022 09:58pm)
Because in one case you're violating people's rights, and in the other you aren't.

Pretty easy bro.


Withholding live-saving medical care from someone on the basis of their skin color is very obviously and directly violating their rights.
Remind me, what's the very first element listed in the 14th amendment's list of things not to be deprived without due process?

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jan 26 2022 10:19pm
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#168
Jan 26 2022 10:23pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 27 Jan 2022 04:58)
Because in one case you're violating people's rights, and in the other you aren't.

Pretty easy bro.


Which rights are violated by racial profiling that aren't also violated by racial triaging?
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#169
Jan 26 2022 10:28pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 26 2022 08:19pm)
Withholding live-saving medical care from someone on the basis of their skin color is very obviously and directly violating their rights.
Remind me, what's the very first element listed in the 14th amendment's list of things not to be deprived without due process?


What about withholding life-saving medical care due to inability to pay?
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Jan 26 2022 10:31pm
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What about withholding life-saving medical care due to inability to pay?


Which protected class is that discriminating against?
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