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Dec 2 2021 08:50pm
Quote (addone @ Dec 2 2021 06:01pm)
No shit sunshine. Imagine now what kind of behaviour we would have if the left and the mass media machine didn't ram their woke bml and lbgt race nonsense that isnt relevant to this century. We wouldn't had the massive increase of boys and girls out there identifying themselves as toasters right now or the mass lootings and property damages all across the country. Keep your private larping interests within your own circles.


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Dec 2 2021 09:40pm
Media outlets should make a concerted effort to not report on this unless it's local news where the information is much more pertinent.

Any reporting should never mention the shooter's name, and the shooter's face should never be revealed. Additionally, all information found about the shooter that reveal he was inspired by past shooters should not name those past shooters either or show their face(s).

The court cases for mass shooting events should never be televised. "Kill counts" should never be used in headlines, or be the leading pieces of stories.

This post was edited by Handcuffs on Dec 2 2021 09:42pm
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Dec 2 2021 09:52pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Dec 2 2021 12:11am)
Median income doesn't mean a lot anymore when distribution is garbage and expenses actually get higher the poorer you are.

Health insurance is cheaper than an ER trip, but it's so expensive that plenty of people still can't get health insurance yet still need to go to the ER.


Median income accounts for a level of distribution by definition. If we want to consider income equality paramount, ok, that's an opinion. But even metrics which account for government transfers in kind (e.g. healthcare) have the United States ranked in the highest tier. It's ok to prefer an alternative system, but the notion that the United States either isn't incredibly wealthy on a median basis (i.e. the middle person), or that it's somehow in denial about it's apparent poverty is completely wrong-headed and can't be supported by the facts. When people accuse the United States of being an oligarchy, that's exactly what they're suggesting. But if we are an oligarchy, then perhaps oligarchies aren't nearly so bad after all.
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Dec 3 2021 11:26am
The prosecutors have filed murder charges against the parents of the kid
Now, unless there are some truly extraordinary facts as-of-yet unknown to the public but known to the DA, like the parents literally telling their kid to go on a murder spree and handing him the gun right then and there, that's an insane prosecutorial overreach that's doubtlessly motivated by a political agenda and the flames of media attention. You cannot hold one person responsible for the independent actions of another, that's a fundamental principle of law. There's zero indication the parents had any participation nor broke any laws. There aren't even any laws in michigan that would require gun owners to lock up their guns at home or take actions to keep them away from their children.

So far what we know is;

The parents legally bought the gun four days earlier.
The shooter had it in his schoolbag when he went to school that day.
The shooter and his parents were both called into the principals office that day over his 'unspecified behavior', just hours before the shooting.
The school said that the outcome of that meeting was determining it did not merit any disciplinary action.

The only accusation that the prosecutors and sheriff made publicly was;

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“You have a right to possess a gun, but with it comes responsibility,” she told a press conference. “Allowing it in the hands of somebody that shows signs that they may hurt somebody is not OK, and those people should be held accountable.”

Sheriff Michael Bouchard also stressed to NBC News that it is “illegal for someone” at age 15 to “possess or carry a handgun.”

“So if they participated in that, that’s clearly a crime,” he stressed.


Notably they charged his mother, who reportedly neither had the gun in her name nor possession nor access to it. So, what did she do?

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Dec 3 2021 12:15pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 3 2021 11:26am)
The prosecutors have filed murder charges against the parents of the kid
Now, unless there are some truly extraordinary facts as-of-yet unknown to the public but known to the DA, like the parents literally telling their kid to go on a murder spree and handing him the gun right then and there, that's an insane prosecutorial overreach that's doubtlessly motivated by a political agenda and the flames of media attention. You cannot hold one person responsible for the independent actions of another, that's a fundamental principle of law. There's zero indication the parents had any participation nor broke any laws. There aren't even any laws in michigan that would require gun owners to lock up their guns at home or take actions to keep them away from their children.

So far what we know is;

The parents legally bought the gun four days earlier.
The shooter had it in his schoolbag when he went to school that day.
The shooter and his parents were both called into the principals office that day over his 'unspecified behavior', just hours before the shooting.
The school said that the outcome of that meeting was determining it did not merit any disciplinary action.

The only accusation that the prosecutors and sheriff made publicly was;



Notably they charged his mother, who reportedly neither had the gun in her name nor possession nor access to it. So, what did she do?


To add to the list when the news about the shooting broke his mom texted him "Ethan don't do it"
So they are gonna try and prove that both parents knew that kid had thoughts about killing and not only didn't do anything to stop it, but they aided him by being neglectful with a weapon. If my English makes sense.
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Dec 3 2021 12:18pm
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How do you know it was a terror attack? I find it really hard to determine the motive given that the nearby KFC had some snackers available for once.


Didn't you tell me all attacks that aren't based on religion are atheist terror attacks? Shouldn't there be an absolute statement your mind that will qualify this and the truck attack as terrorism?
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Dec 3 2021 12:19pm
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To add to the list when the news about the shooting broke his mom texted him "Ethan don't do it"
So they are gonna try and prove that both parents knew that kid had thoughts about killing and not only didn't do anything to stop it, but they aided him by being neglectful with a weapon. If my English makes sense.


It doesn't make a lick of sense under the law. You aren't committing a crime by telling someone else not to commit a crime. You aren't criminally liable for the independent actions of another. During their press conference, they said the school was debating whether to discipline him over "searching google to research ammunition", and she texted him saying she wasn't mad at him, and that he should learn not to get caught. I'd say its very telling that the prosecutors when publicly making a case in what seems like an extreme overreach of the law, cited evidence that clearly does not establish a crime in any way shape or form. If they had actual substance, they would have led with it. I'll call the absence of evidence here evidence of absence. Why did they tell us these details if the goal was to build a legal case? However it makes perfect sense if their goal was to inflame public opinion and drive a media furor, rather than actually enforcing the law.
Ethan Crumbley might have murdered six people but these prosecutors are murdering the law
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Dec 3 2021 12:20pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 3 2021 12:26pm)
The prosecutors have filed murder charges against the parents of the kid
Now, unless there are some truly extraordinary facts as-of-yet unknown to the public but known to the DA, like the parents literally telling their kid to go on a murder spree and handing him the gun right then and there, that's an insane prosecutorial overreach that's doubtlessly motivated by a political agenda and the flames of media attention. You cannot hold one person responsible for the independent actions of another, that's a fundamental principle of law. There's zero indication the parents had any participation nor broke any laws. There aren't even any laws in michigan that would require gun owners to lock up their guns at home or take actions to keep them away from their children.

So far what we know is;

The parents legally bought the gun four days earlier.
The shooter had it in his schoolbag when he went to school that day.
The shooter and his parents were both called into the principals office that day over his 'unspecified behavior', just hours before the shooting.
The school said that the outcome of that meeting was determining it did not merit any disciplinary action.

The only accusation that the prosecutors and sheriff made publicly was;



Notably they charged his mother, who reportedly neither had the gun in her name nor possession nor access to it. So, what did she do?


i saw some screen shots that may be real or false that the shooter posted online the gun was his (could be a case the parents bought and illegally handed it over to his possession) and another screen saying the famous i am become death Oppenheimer quote as well as "see you tomorrow" with his school listed.

frankly the idea that the parents could be charged even if they gave him a gun and knew he was going to be a school shooter with murder doesnt seem like a charge that will stick. maybe the recent string of over charges that stuck ala Chauvin have DAs very emboldened to reach for the stars. fucking odd.
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Dec 3 2021 12:21pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 3 2021 11:26am)
The prosecutors have filed murder charges against the parents of the kid
Now, unless there are some truly extraordinary facts as-of-yet unknown to the public but known to the DA, like the parents literally telling their kid to go on a murder spree and handing him the gun right then and there, that's an insane prosecutorial overreach that's doubtlessly motivated by a political agenda and the flames of media attention. You cannot hold one person responsible for the independent actions of another, that's a fundamental principle of law. There's zero indication the parents had any participation nor broke any laws. There aren't even any laws in michigan that would require gun owners to lock up their guns at home or take actions to keep them away from their children.

So far what we know is;

The parents legally bought the gun four days earlier.
The shooter had it in his schoolbag when he went to school that day.
The shooter and his parents were both called into the principals office that day over his 'unspecified behavior', just hours before the shooting.
The school said that the outcome of that meeting was determining it did not merit any disciplinary action.

The only accusation that the prosecutors and sheriff made publicly was;



Notably they charged his mother, who reportedly neither had the gun in her name nor possession nor access to it. So, what did she do?


The rule of law and what is right, good and fair are gone.
They deck is stacked intentionally against you.
This is just the beginning.
It will get much, much worse.
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