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Dec 1 2021 02:03am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 1 Dec 2021 00:47)
Let's see how far the waves will go up in blue states this winter, or how tough their governors have to make the restrictions to keep the wave low.



I think it was a snarky comment aimed at this narrative which is currently very widespread among liberal/left-wing circles: that Omicron is the result (and deserved punishment) for some sort of purported "vaccine apartheid", with all the rich (white) countries hoarding the vaccines and preventing developing (black and brown) countries from getting their peoples vaccinated quick enough to prevent the emergence of new variants.

In reality, South Africa has more vaccines available than people willing to get jabbed. Just a couple of days before Omicron was discovered, they were debating donating some of their vaccines to other African countries because the date of expiry was near. Same story in many other African countries where people don't even want to get vaccinated.

Also, pretty much all virologists agree that the mutation profile of Omicron is highly unusual and most definitely coming from a chronic, lingering covid infection in an immunocompromised individual, probably an HIV patient.


but a huge vaccination discrepancy is a thing, bill gates lobbying to make the oxford vaccine NOT open source like initially promised, practically nuking early and independent vaccination efforts in the developing world, is a fact - as are many (mostly right-wing / christian conservative) disinformation campaigns through social media, which demonstrably increased vaccination hesitancy.

so flippantly dismissing that as some lefty narrative seems somewhat strange to me, except of course you deny those facts...
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Dec 1 2021 03:21am
its not like the developing world needs a large number of shots anyway

covid already made its round there, the overwhelming majority has natural immunity already and they dont have nearly the amount of high risk groups the western countries have

sucks for big pharma
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but a huge vaccination discrepancy is a thing, bill gates lobbying to make the oxford vaccine NOT open source like initially promised, practically nuking early and independent vaccination efforts in the developing world, is a fact - as are many (mostly right-wing / christian conservative) disinformation campaigns through social media, which demonstrably increased vaccination hesitancy.

so flippantly dismissing that as some lefty narrative seems somewhat strange to me, except of course you deny those facts...


Yes, vaccine discrepancy is a thing. I never claimed otherwise. What I push back against is this narrative which puts the blame for it exclusively on selfish whiteys while ignoring the impact of vaccine hesitancy in the third world. Or that Omicron most definitely developed in a single, strongly immunocompromised HIV patient, so that even much higher vax rates couldn't have prevented this scenario.
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Dec 1 2021 06:35am
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Dec 1 2021 04:21am)
its not like the developing world needs a large number of shots anyway

covid already made its round there, the overwhelming majority has natural immunity already and they dont have nearly the amount of high risk groups the western countries have

sucks for big pharma


Sucks to have so low regard for human life you are cheering against a vaccine during a pandemic :(

People who survive can just get it again. Plenty of people who haven't gotten it yes would be risking much higher chances than normal at death and disability.

You aren't a Herman Cain Award winner if you don't have access to the vaccine, just if you are against having it in your body for political reasons like so many Americans are who want to drag this shit out as long as possible lol.

There is a point like if you aren't getting the vaccine then stay the fuck out of my ER with your elected-into covid unless you have GBS or something that actually prevents you from getting it. My friend is a pastor and he said that his god told him not to take it, well buddy, your god is telling you that you can't be a nurse and it sounds like you might have schizophrenia (haha).

Nothing sucks for big pharma because Americans are the most drug addicted culture in the earth's history. Everyone prescribed something.

Quote (fender @ Dec 1 2021 03:03am)
but a huge vaccination discrepancy is a thing, bill gates lobbying to make the oxford vaccine NOT open source like initially promised, practically nuking early and independent vaccination efforts in the developing world, is a fact - as are many (mostly right-wing / christian conservative) disinformation campaigns through social media, which demonstrably increased vaccination hesitancy.

so flippantly dismissing that as some lefty narrative seems somewhat strange to me, except of course you deny those facts...


It is up to the world to just disrespect the idea of intellectual property and make the shit anyway through reverse engineering like our rivals always had. Not doing this would amount to a crime against humanity on behalf of the 1%.

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It is up to the world to just disrespect the idea of intellectual property and make the shit anyway through reverse engineering like our rivals always had. Not doing this would amount to a crime against humanity on behalf of the 1%.


NA, Europe, East Asia and, yes, Africa already have more than enough vaccines, their problem is not availability but vaccine hesitancy. Latin America is almost at the point of having enough vaccines for everyone who wants them and Southern as well as South Eastern Asia are getting there too. Good luck with increasing vaccine uptake in Africa via mandates or force, or with adjusting the existing vaccines to a new variant like Omicron in third world labs that reverse engineered the OGs.

It took around a year to get the world vaccinated the first time around without waiving IP. And the major vaccine producers massively ramped up their capacity. So if(!) a new vaccine is necessary for Omicron, it will take a lot less than a year to get it out this time.


Rescinding IP might have made a small difference a year ago, but at this point, it would definitely do more harm than good.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 1 2021 06:59am
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elaborate. who says that, and what's the reasoning?


jesus man.
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Dec 1 2021 07:34am
Will this Variant spread HIV through the Air? Maybe or maybe not or maybe one Variant will one day BUT thanks to it a HIV Vaccine will be released probably.
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jesus man.


that's what i thought. fishing for approval with edgy teen bs.
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they turned the vax micro chips "on"

sick by emf.



This post was edited by lodd222 on Dec 1 2021 10:00am
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