And if speech is on the table so is religion and guns. The bill of rights is in a Chinese buffet. There is no apparatus in the Constitution that allows this sort of thing.

Or that it is effectively a coal car in many states?

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The GOP doesn’t want external forces banned from stirring up shit on campus. Koch-funded Turning Point only exists to stir up shit on campuses.

The reason most of them are released the next day is because the charges are going to be dropped. They only arrested them to make a point. I’m not sure why you think protestors need prison time.

I was talking about cases where external protestors throw beer cans at unwanted (read: conservative) speakers or aggressively harass people on campus, i.e., cases where they are using violence and intimidation to silence what they deem wrongthink.



And Koch-funded ""activist"" groups can fuck right off too.

Prison time for throwing beer cans?

To take a step back, universities have traditionally enjoyed a lot of social credit as institutions of learning which promote freedom of thought. That is their "value add" to society, or their add to public discourse. If universities are no longer capable of doing that, for whatever reason, be it cowardice or something else, then the compelling interest the public had in universities disappears. Because they are valuable in their original role, however, we probably want to try offsetting the negative costs of antifa (e.g. bad publicity, violence, increased security costs) with negative costs of our own (e.g. loss of funding).

This is a problem concerning power. We can't expect universities to hold the line on their own, that would require they be staffed with men and women of far greater moral fiber than exists in the world today. We need to assume that they will be cowardly, and incompetent, and treat them accordingly.

To the head.... read the previous posts to catch up on the context....

American universities have a long history of outright banning ideas from being discussed due to right-wing pressure.

This is just another case where conservatives have been doing far worse for most of our nation's history, and now that they aren't the ones doing it you try telling us it's a signifcant and new problem that definitely has never happened before and violates the spirit of the institution!

Could you name an example or two? And how many decades do you have to go back?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Speaker_Ban

This is the first big one when I googled "America university speaker ban".

This is just another example of the right weaponizing American values now that they're not the ones getting to bully people.



Oh, and in America if you're a private university you can file a request for exemption that allows you to discriminate against your students on the basis of sex and sexual orientation and still receive federal funds. There are an absolute shit load of universities in the United States that receive federal funds as private universities but still discriminate based on sexual orientation, gender, marital status, and pregnancy outside of marriage.

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