Quote (Plaguefear @ May 28 2021 07:50am)

I think some jobs are worth more than others, doctors, scientists, vetinarians, not "mining corporation owner" or "exploiter of workers".
No one became a billionaire because they worked hard, every billionaire figured out a way to exploit other people or steal resources to get there.
Except satoshi.

Quote (Plaguefear @ May 28 2021 07:33pm)

Billionaires without exception exist due to exploitation, if there is billionaires and homeless within the same society then the society has failed, its simple, we allow people to be exploited for the good of the few, a society should protect the good of the many.

Quote (addone @ May 28 2021 08:10am)

I think you are trying really hard to knock on the rich. Now that's a mind of a sore loser, because to have that much wealth you need to provide a world with some extraordinary product and or service, (aka value). Now there is alot of exploitation happening and that will never change as long as greed exists. You cannot mandate greed or love with laws. Because you are trying to solve a spiritual problem with political means which is why idealistic left mostly young students haven't realised.

Here you are full of generalised not well thought of opinions, wildly throwing at other random on a gaming forum hoping it sticks. Maybe make yourself feel better idk.

I would focus on providing positive information or something constructive instead of endlessly venting

Quote (Plaguefear @ May 28 2021 01:24am)

Yes it does, if you are having your wages stolen and stealing them back it is 100% justified.

Quote (Thor123422 @ May 28 2021 01:26am)

Disagree. If you are being stolen from then stealing it back is not theft, especially when it would require far more resources as a proportion for you to prosecute for wage theft compared to their defense of it, assuming it was a large company.

Quote (Santara @ May 28 2021 05:51am)

A person who chooses to use force to take what hey want from another does not lend the characteristic "rightful" to their possession of what they took. They have taken it, and hold the power to do with it as they please, but the state of rightfulness is not conferred. Rightful is derived from reason, just as natural rights are. If I get on a plane to China and steal something from someone there, and I have never participated in their social contract, that doesn't mean what I have done is right, or that they have no claim to put me through their courts to punish me for my behavior. If I produce something of value, and you use force to take some of it from me - even with (empty) promises to return it to me through your choices of "investment," the decision to take is yours and reason dictates that without my consent, you have stolen it.

Quote (duffman316 @ May 28 2021 07:43am)

Vigilante justice is not good for society. Taking justice into your own hands becauae you feel the justice system has failed might feel satisfactory but it can quickly lead down a path of violence and crime because it is not a measured response and there is no due process.

Quote (Thor123422 @ May 28 2021 08:58am)

If you are in a society you are in state 3. If you arent you are in state 2. In absence of any agreement between parties the only right is the right of force. The rightful owner is not something you can conclude with pure reason. It depends on the rules of ownership and without rules there is merely force.




Of course society must try to get people to use the courts for the purpose of stability but that doesnt change that you cant steal what is yours.

Quote (Plaguefear @ May 28 2021 06:20am)

So you want anarchy but with ownership?

Quote (Thor123422 @ May 28 2021 07:58am)

If you are in a society you are in state 3. If you arent you are in state 2. In absence of any agreement between parties the only right is the right of force. The rightful owner is not something you can conclude with pure reason. It depends on the rules of ownership and without rules there is merely force.

Quote (Santara @ May 28 2021 09:21am)

I think that's an admirable goal, yes.

You're hung up on hierarchy.

Quote (duffman316 @ May 28 2021 08:43am)

Vigilante justice is not good for society. Taking justice into your own hands becauae you feel the justice system has failed might feel satisfactory but it can quickly lead down a path of violence and crime because it is not a measured response and there is no due process.