The ability to inact law goes "poof" when you can't get support. And we both agree Trump has influence in the senate.

Try not to downplay the potential chaos, especially considering he could serve until the day he dies.

both are routes to power yes. both have merits yes. one could last until he dies, one could last a lot longer.

to me its just funny this will be talked about in the next 2-4+ years much, much more by people who wanted President Trump gone from politics forever than his actual base/supporters of him and his Presidency.

I mean, as a supporter aren't you completely crushed that he failed by 7 million votes to gain a popular lead?

Don't lie here, he had the economy, deregulation, a super spike in small business... He was like a fucking economic god. A small cold beat him? How can you continue to support him, vs such a small thing?

indeed. the “small cold” instead of taking advil or whatever and sleeping it off he chose not to do the right thing (which as discussed here plenty, involved handing responsibility to medical experts for covid, relief spending bill responsibilities to the legislature - oh wait that is supposed to be their responsibility anyway, and Trump 2020 mask responsibility to his campaign site). His intuition which was tantamount to his success from 2016-2019 was not up to par in 2020.

his reasonable supporters and/or supporters of some or all of his policy will know that at the end of the day a person is fallible and ultimately when the going gets tough, you must mitigate damage. the above playbook would have easily seen him through reelection.

Right. And he can continue to support Florida policy and attack NY murder as a Florida senator. It works.

Id love for someone to do that. FLA basically a FFA yet their numbers are much more favorable to totally locked-down states ran by wannabe thug/ actual hypocrite bloodthirsty tyrants like in CA and NY

...and now you understand the trial. He'll have unbelievable rallying power as a Florida senator. Add Jr. to the mix? FFS.

well yeah its easy to understand both trials (political power-plays by the swamp) and why President Trump defeated both impeachment trials - mainly he was charged with things that are not crimes or he didnt do.

first one - “obstructing congress” huh??? separation of powers is by definition one branch having the potential to override or obstruct another
second one - “ incitement of insurrection” think they got the wrong politician here since it was the speaker of the house demanding uprisings. oh and going through legal channels ensuring that an election is fortified is not a crime, just ask time magazine

contrast this with slick willie - 11 impeachable felonious offenses

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People say this but there's never much of an argument behind it.

What is more consistent with Trump's history... seeking power and the spotlight, or not doing so? What is more consistent with the right-wing propagandists and politicians these past 5 years... bowing down to Trump and seeking his approval because his personality cult controls the party, or explicitly opposing him?

The approval rating of former presidents tends to rise when they are out of office. It's easy to see how a couple years from now, Trump's image will have improved among non-cultists.

If Biden gets stimulus approved, and the economy is doing fine, which it likely will be, then it's going to be difficult for anybody to unseat him in 2024 just by virtue of things going well for an incumbent.