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Sep 24 2020 02:27pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 24 2020 04:20pm)
2. anger at the police for lack of announcing their entry (allegedly, although there seems little doubt here)


But if Cosgrove, Hankison and Mattingly were given an NK warrant, then why would they be criticized for failing to knock?

And the fact that Breonna Taylor got shot isn't on your list. So are you saying there isn't an outcry over the firing of the shots themselves? Like, the fact that Walker shot first and cops fired back in the general direction into a dark room is not the target of the protests? That this controversy isn't really focused on the actual pulling of the trigger?

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Sep 24 2020 02:29pm
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But if Cosgrove, Hankison and Mattingly were given an NK warrant, then why would they be criticized for failing to knock?

And the fact that Breonna Taylor got shot isn't on your list. So are you saying there isn't an outcry over the firing of the shots themselves? Like, the fact that Walker shot first and cops fired back in the general direction into a dark room is NOT something that people are upset about? That this controversy isn't really focused on the actual pulling of the trigger?


jesus man, i said plainly lack of announcing even in a NK is BAD.

then u take my list as literal? even tho it said "AT LEAST"

like idk wtf to say bud, im just trying to help and you're being literal while also not listening. for that reason, im out.

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Sep 24 2020 02:32pm
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jesus man, i said plainly lack of announcing even in a NK is BAD.

then u take my list as literal?

like idk wtf to say bud, im just trying to help and you're being literal while also not listening. for that reason, im out.


hmm ok, it appears that after a quick google search I was fundamentally mistaken about the terms of a NK warrant. Your posts helped direct me to clear up my mistake on that issue. Things do make more sense now.
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hmm ok, it appears that after a quick google search I was fundamentally mistaken about the terms of a NK warrant. Your posts helped direct me to clear up my mistake on that issue. Things do make more sense now.


honestly the list of things that has people mad here is LONG, those 4 were just on the top of my head. i forgot entirely about the firing into the dark bit, and assumed BT being dead was a given that didnt need to be listed.
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Sep 24 2020 03:18pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 24 2020 04:20pm)
i think you're a bit confused as to what the reaction is here, it's at least 4 pronged.

1. anger at an illegal warrant to the filing officer (not the judges fault as much, with the faulty info given to her)

2. anger at the police for lack of announcing their entry (allegedly, although there seems little doubt here)

3. anger at the police generally for allowing no-knock warrants and lack of training in raids, announcing is a BIG deal here

4. anger at prosecution for the time they're taking

this type of widespread systematic anger is why we see a protest. because from filing officer, to shooting officer, to prosecutor there are gripes.

the courier journal is somewhat manipulated. so maybe you can explain some of the questions i have.
i.e.
as far as i'm aware, Jayden is NOT suggesting the "packages are narcotics", only suggesting that some of Glover's mail is being sent to the Taylor residence to avoid detection. and that drugs "and/or" money from drug sales, may be stashed at the Taylor residence.
this US postal worker, who is referencing "other" agencies requests... only suggested there was not "packages of interest" going there. any package was of interest to the police investigation.
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Jaynes also wrote that he "verified through a U.S. postal inspector that Jamarcus Glover has been receiving packages" at Taylor's apartment.

"It is not uncommon for drug traffickers to receive mail packages at different locations to avoid detection from law enforcement," Jaynes wrote. " … Mr. J. Glover may be keeping narcotics and/or proceeds from the sale of narcotics" at Taylor's apartment "for safekeeping."
But U.S. postal inspector Tony Gooden, of Louisville, told WDRB News in May that a different agency had asked in January to look into whether Taylor's home was receiving suspicious mail. The office had concluded that the apartment was not, according to Gooden.
"There's no packages of interest going there," Gooden told the news outlet.
The Courier Journal has not been able to reach Gooden for comment.


police has conversation of Glover claiming Taylor is holding money for him.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/leaked-documents-give-more-details-in-breonna-taylor-case/
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Police also installed a tracking device on Glover’s red Dodge Charger and found that he visited Taylor’s home six times in January 2020. The leaked documents included pictures of Glover picking up packages at Taylor’s house.

In transcribed conversations from the morning of March 13th, hours after Taylor was killed, Glover told another woman that Taylor had $8,000 of his money.

He said:
“Bre got down like $15 grand, she had the $8 grand I gave her the other day and she picked up another $6 grand.”

He continued:
“Bre been handling all my money, she been handling my money. She been handling my (expletive) for me and cuz, it ain’t just me.”

He added:
“And later, I can walk in that house (Bre’s) and go directly to whatever it is no problem with it.”


this is what Glover stated, which would be true, unless the money buying "shoes and clothing" was illegally obtained.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/09/04/report-details-why-louisville-police-wanted-search-breanna-taylors-home/5706161002/
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Glover has since disputed some of that surveillance evidence.

He told The Courier Journal in an Aug. 26 interview he'd worried about deliveries to his house being stolen, and Taylor had agreed to have the items sent to her apartment instead.

"Nothing even been illegal there," he said. "Getting shoes and clothes coming through the mail is not illegal. Nothing illegal at all."

i could add to all of this, but i could be missing something. so, i'll stop here for the moment.
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Sep 24 2020 03:23pm
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the courier journal is somewhat manipulated. so maybe you can explain some of the questions i have.
i.e.
as far as i'm aware, Jayden is NOT suggesting the "packages are narcotics", only suggesting that some of Glover's mail is being sent to the Taylor residence to avoid detection. and that drugs "and/or" money from drug sales, may be stashed at the Taylor residence.
this US postal worker, who is referencing "other" agencies requests... only suggested there was not "packages of interest" going there. any package was of interest to the police investigation.


police has conversation of Glover claiming Taylor is holding money for him.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/leaked-documents-give-more-details-in-breonna-taylor-case/


this is what Glover stated, which would be true, unless the money buying "shoes and clothing" was illegally obtained.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/09/04/report-details-why-louisville-police-wanted-search-breanna-taylors-home/5706161002/

i could add to all of this, but i could be missing something. so, i'll stop here for the moment.


The contents of the packages are not the key point, lying about corroboration with usps is.

It doesn't seem in question that most of the application was valid. But 1 lie invalidates all of that legally. Warrant applications are very important.
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Sep 24 2020 03:28pm
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The contents of the packages are not the key point, lying about corroboration with usps is.

It doesn't seem in question that most of the application was valid. But 1 lie invalidates all of that legally. Warrant applications are very important.

alright.... so here is the local station that the courier journal is referencing.
reading through this, i am unable to even make a decision. i'll list some reasons and maybe you can strike some of them down
https://www.wdrb.com/in-depth/louisville-postal-inspector-no-packages-of-interest-at-slain-emt-breonna-taylor-s-home/article_f25bbc06-96e4-11ea-9371-97b341bd2866.html
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It is "possible" that Louisville police asked a mail inspector from another jurisdiction of the U.S. Postal Inspection Service for help, Gooden said, but he said his office almost surely would have been notified of an outside agent's involvement.

That didn't happen, he said. If a postal inspector from another agency did review packages at Taylor's apartment without notifying him, it would be innappropriate.

"They are coming into my area of responsibility looking into something that I very well may also be looking into," Gooden said. "They shouldn't come into my area of responsibility doing anything without notifying me."

Police claimed Glover was using Taylor's address as his home address and was seen picking up a package from her apartment on January 16 before driving to a "known drug house," according to an affidavit for the warrant approved on March 12.

"Affiant verified through a US Postal Inspector that Jamarcus Glover has been receiving packages" at Taylor's home, police wrote in the search warrant.

Gooden questioned why Louisville police would not rely on the local postal inspector for help with the investigation. "I don't know why you are in a city that houses a postal inspector office and not go through that postal inspector office?"

Gooden initially said postal inspectors would not be able to verify whether an individual was having packages sent to another person's home. However, he has since clarified that they can - but it would be "labor intensive."

1+2 are kind of together.
1. they still could have used a different postal inspection service. admitted by Gooden, although he is not happy at that thought.
2. Gooden previously stated they "could not" complete the request. this would give a good reason to use a different postal inspection service.
3. at the same time another agency was making this request, that agency is not listed and "could" have had relation to the investigation.

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alright.... so here is the local station that the courier journal is referencing.
reading through this, i am unable to even make a decision. i'll list some reasons and maybe you can strike some of them down
https://www.wdrb.com/in-depth/louisville-postal-inspector-no-packages-of-interest-at-slain-emt-breonna-taylor-s-home/article_f25bbc06-96e4-11ea-9371-97b341bd2866.html

1+2 are kind of together.
1. they still could have used a different postal inspection service. admitted by Gooden, although he is not happy at that thought.
2. Gooden previously stated they "could not" complete the request. this would give a good reason to use a different postal inspection service.
3. at the same time another agency was making this request, that agency is not listed and "could" have had relation to the investigation.


Could there be an out of town usps involved? Sure. Do we have any evidence they were? No.
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Sep 24 2020 04:01pm
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Could there be an out of town usps involved? Sure. Do we have any evidence they were? No.

ya, that's kind of my point though. we don't have the info to state that there was even 1 lie so far. unfortunately everyone is just making assumptions.
since this has moved to a federal investigation, i doubt we'll see any hard info until that finishes.
sucks to say, but i don't see how there's much to add until that becomes public.
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Sep 24 2020 07:31pm
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They committed an act of negligent homicide. Go ahead and argue they were right, idgaf, I'm not going to engage in the ethics of murder and if you want to live in that world well you're winning.


If anything, they were guilty of gross stupidity.

Police showed up with a no-knock warrant. Banged on the door, stated who they were. In doing so, they gave Taylor's drug dealing bf and criminal conspirator the chance to arm himself. When police lawfully busted through the door, the scumbag boyfriend promptly shot the first officer in the thigh, severing his femoral artery, a wound that is typically fatal. At which point, police returned fire. Scumbag boyfriend was using Taylor as a human shield, as evidenced by the fact that her brain matter was splattered all over him.

Negligent homicide? Not at all. Gross Stupidity? YES ABSOLUTELY. The reason a no-knock warrant exists is so police can quickly and efficiently enter and arrest with minimum likelihood of violence beyond what's absolutely required to detain. By announcing themselves, they failed to dutifully carry out their warrant in a way that caused grevious injury to an officer. That a drug running woman allowed herself to be used as a human shield by an attempted cop killer, thinking there'd be no consequence? Fuck her. Maybe if she hadn't spent the last several years helping dealers run drugs and thinking they were suitable dick to ride on, she'd still be alive.

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