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Sep 19 2020 07:23am
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while it's for a lifetime its not required. U can step down. We're just in a political environment where that's risky. And lifetime has its bonuses too as it prevents big swings every 4 years


Yeah I know, in that way it's very much like the papacy, except there's more than one.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/517197-obama-calls-on-senate-not-to-fill-ginsburgs-vacancy-until-after

wow the (d)s already called in the big guns. dont recall bush, clinton, bush, reagan, carter etc. chiming in on how a branch they were not a part of should proceed when it comes to their constitutional duty


At least four senators are going to do the ethical and right thing and wait for the election like the senate did last time in this situation.

Honor is a foreign concept to McConnell and you know he cheered inside when he heard this news. He probably had a RBG voodoo doll, poking needles into her for months now.

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You must have had a real shitty mom with this attitude towards women.

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“Deciding in advance simply to turn your back before the president even names a nominee is not an option the Constitution leaves open,” Biden said

“The president has a responsibility to nominate a new justice and the Senate has a responsibility to vote.” -Hillary Clinton

Sen. Elizabeth Warren tweeted that Republicans must “ditch their extremism” and schedule a vote for Garland.

“Failing to fill this vacancy would be a shameful abdication of one of the Senate’s most essential Constitutional responsibilities.” -Harry Reid
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Sep 19 2020 08:07am
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“Deciding in advance simply to turn your back before the president even names a nominee is not an option the Constitution leaves open,” Biden said

“The president has a responsibility to nominate a new justice and the Senate has a responsibility to vote.” -Hillary Clinton

Sen. Elizabeth Warren tweeted that Republicans must “ditch their extremism” and schedule a vote for Garland.

“Failing to fill this vacancy would be a shameful abdication of one of the Senate’s most essential Constitutional responsibilities.” -Harry Reid


And they were wrong, and judges were held for the election. The reasoning was that Obama didn't quite have a mandate at that time. Trump doesn't have a mandate at this time, and the same course of action is appropriate. Given there is practically a civil war it is right to hold. Americans are still important and should decide their fate.

Are you saying that your side, the Republicans, were wrong? A standard was established, and you should explain why it was wrong then and right now?

The only option seriously is to fillibuster until after november and Trump is either on the way out or he got 42+% of the popular vote and wins and let him confirm.

I literally see no other way forward.

Amy Coney Barrett is the frontrunner and she will totally legislate her faith. She already says she doesn't respect precedent. An activist judge.

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Good podcast on RBG, with a focus on her arguments in front of SCOTUS as a young ACLU lawyer.

https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/more-perfect-sex-appeal
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And they were wrong, and judges were held for the election. The reasoning was that Obama didn't quite have a mandate at that time. Trump doesn't have a mandate at this time, and the same course of action is appropriate. Given there is practically a civil war it is right to hold. Americans are still important and should decide their fate.

Are you saying that your side, the Republicans, were wrong? A standard was established, and you should explain why it was wrong then and right now?

The only option seriously is to fillibuster until after november and Trump is either on the way out or he got 42+% of the popular vote and wins and let him confirm.

I literally see no other way forward.


McConnell's argument was that no justice had ever been appointed during an election year when the President was a lame duck and the opposition controlled the Senate.

He will say that the President is not a lame duck and that the President's party is the majority party, thus, the vacancy should be filled.

Filling the seat is the right thing to do. Liberals need to be challenged to construct an actual theory on jurisprudence, one that doesn't just devolve into justices as high priests of some wacky constitutional religion. In the meantime, conservative justices should fill the Court.

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Amy Coney Barrett is the frontrunner and she will totally legislate her faith. She already says she doesn't respect precedent. An activist judge.


Bad decisions are bad decisions. If activists in the past made mistakes, they must be corrected. Amy Barrett would be an excellent pick.

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Quote (cambovenzi @ Sep 19 2020 07:04am)
“Deciding in advance simply to turn your back before the president even names a nominee is not an option the Constitution leaves open,” Biden said

“The president has a responsibility to nominate a new justice and the Senate has a responsibility to vote.” -Hillary Clinton

Sen. Elizabeth Warren tweeted that Republicans must “ditch their extremism” and schedule a vote for Garland.

“Failing to fill this vacancy would be a shameful abdication of one of the Senate’s most essential Constitutional responsibilities.” -Harry Reid


LOL not surprising that you want both sides of this fence. Yes all these were made trying to stop the BS move may by Moscow Mitch etc.
they got it shoved down their throat
So double standard for R is good?
D bad?
got it.
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McConnell's argument was that no justice had ever been appointed during an election year when the President was a lame duck and the opposition controlled the Senate.

He will say that the President is not a lame duck and that the President's party is the majority party, thus, the vacancy should be filled.

Filling the seat is the right thing to do. Liberals need to be challenged to construct an actual theory on jurisprudence, one that doesn't just devolve into justices as high priests of some wacky constitutional religion. In the meantime, conservative justices should fill the Court.


please explain how Obama was a lame duck and trump is not.
wtf LMAO
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please explain how Obama was a lame duck and trump is not.
wtf LMAO


Obama was in his 2nd term and could not run again. Trump is actively running for reelection.
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Quote (theCrossbones @ Sep 19 2020 10:18am)
please explain how Obama was a lame duck and trump is not.
wtf LMAO


Trump is eligible for another term.

wtf LMAO
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