Quote (Skinned @ Jan 17 2020 06:02am)

Um I was a hospital discharge planner for over two years and the same is true in the United States dawg. We had to treat many many people who were suicidal and in severe pain because of some medical condition they couldn't get treated because of rationing or because they got an appointment and its next year. I live in a city with several large hospital systems including the largest in the nation, and a university hospital that is in the top 50 in US in innovation....

The United States has the worse healthcare costs and outcomes in the US in many areas. Our system is not great. My current job title is utilization review manager....if you Google that you will see that I'm the guy who tells the doctors what is going to be paid for or not, then I get it paid for through the insurance company....my training has basically made me an MBA that can diagnose health conditions. I bring in all dollars to my department, and I have to explain all insurance denials, why the patient was denied care, and how to address them.

I'm an expert in what is actually possible in my system and it ain't pretty sometimes. And if I were to refer only in my system it might take me 6 months to a year to get you a neurology consultation with MRI if you needed it if you were outpatient. Its important to shop around on your own to get access.

Quote (BloodLust911 @ Jan 17 2020 05:33am)

No you don't gotta wait in line inside a hospital in the US. The costs are so high directly because of he aca, too. Epipens went from $30 to $400 almost over night and that's one example. We got it bad, but its6directly because of liberal policy. Our system was much better before the aca and people want laws that'll make it worse? I worked in he medical field billing insurance until about 2009. Prior authorizations were easier. You could just walk in off he streets into an er and expect to be treated. It used to be ok, but yeah now its6shit. Why do people want it to be even shittier?

Quote (krackprophet @ Jan 17 2020 06:40am)

I'm against single payer but I think its pretty dishonest to say that it wouldn't be a better system. There would be longer waits on specialists from everything I've seen but overall there would be much more care going around.

Quote (BloodLust911 @ Jan 17 2020 05:47am)

Monopolies always make things worse. Look into eyewear. You should be paying pocket change for glasses but because one company owns like 90% of the factories as well as the businesses that sell them we gotta pay hundreds (mine were like $500) for shit that costs pennies to make.

Quote (BloodLust911 @ Jan 17 2020 10:33pm)

No you don't gotta wait in line inside a hospital in the US. The costs are so high directly because of he aca, too. Epipens went from $30 to $400 almost over night and that's one example. We got it bad, but its6directly because of liberal policy. Our system was much better before the aca and people want laws that'll make it worse? I worked in he medical field billing insurance until about 2009. Prior authorizations were easier. You could just walk in off he streets into an er and expect to be treated. It used to be ok, but yeah now its6shit. Why do people want it to be even shittier?

Quote (BloodLust911 @ Jan 17 2020 06:33am)

No you don't gotta wait in line inside a hospital in the US. The costs are so high directly because of he aca, too. Epipens went from $30 to $400 almost over night and that's one example. We got it bad, but its6directly because of liberal policy. Our system was much better before the aca and people want laws that'll make it worse? I worked in he medical field billing insurance until about 2009. Prior authorizations were easier. You could just walk in off he streets into an er and expect to be treated. It used to be ok, but yeah now its6shit. Why do people want it to be even shittier?

Quote (BloodLust911 @ Jan 17 2020 04:59am)

Shame you gotta get in line and wait weeks or months inside of a hospital you cant leave to have simple surgeries

Quote (BloodLust911 @ Jan 17 2020 05:33am)

No you don't gotta wait in line inside a hospital in the US. The costs are so high directly because of he aca, too. Epipens went from $30 to $400 almost over night and that's one example. We got it bad, but its6directly because of liberal policy. Our system was much better before the aca and people want laws that'll make it worse? I worked in he medical field billing insurance until about 2009. Prior authorizations were easier. You could just walk in off he streets into an er and expect to be treated. It used to be ok, but yeah now its6shit. Why do people want it to be even shittier?

Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 17 2020 09:07am)

LOL

Dude, the ACA only exists because those problems already existed. The aca didn't make epipens increase in price either. Youre just making shit up at this point.

Also Canadian healthcare outcomes are better than ours for most things so the wait times are pretty irrelevant since they dont affect results. And thats ignoring that the wait time statistics are mostly garbage collected by conservatives out of context for the explicit purpose of making their system look worse than it actually is.

Quote (BloodLust911 @ Jan 17 2020 12:33pm)

No you don't gotta wait in line inside a hospital in the US. The costs are so high directly because of he aca, too. Epipens went from $30 to $400 almost over night and that's one example. We got it bad, but its6directly because of liberal policy. Our system was much better before the aca and people want laws that'll make it worse? I worked in he medical field billing insurance until about 2009. Prior authorizations were easier. You could just walk in off he streets into an er and expect to be treated. It used to be ok, but yeah now its6shit. Why do people want it to be even shittier?