Quote (thesnipa @ 7 Aug 2019 19:25)

you're the shortsighted fool who asked if it was politically motivated. no one said they're equally motivated, i even said partially to try and help you from making this oh so predictable mistake.

add false equivalency to the list of debate phrases you should toss out to not look silly. you just say it like its a point without even double checking context, like many phrases you over-use it's with about 25% accuracy. that's only good numbers in baseball at-bats. here it just means you look silly 75% of the time.

same as "they're incomparable....here let me compare them to show you"

Quote (TransTankie @ Aug 7 2019 12:46pm)

Pretty dumb comment tbh.

That's fine. I've grown accustomed to your antifa blind spot.



I mean if he targeted a white power group or even just a right wing group then it would make sense. If he left a manifesto saying he was motivated by antifascism then it would make sense too. Van Sproensen was clearly motivated by antifascist sentiment for example.
He also murdered his sister and had a history of pretty un-antifa type sentiments.

I'm happy to say that people could be motivated by antifascist sentiment to carry out attacks. Doesn't bother me in the least. I think it's inevitable at this point considering the route the Trump administration is taking. I just hope that when it does happen that they target actual violent, far-right groups and not just the random public. Because antifascism exists to protect the general public from the far-right.

Quote (fender @ Aug 7 2019 12:51pm)

you still haven't learned that you're probably the last person in this sub to lecture others on the meaning of words, have you? still struggling with the fact that 'comparable' can mean 'similar', huh?

Quote (thesnipa @ 7 Aug 2019 18:51)

no doubt the Dayton shooter is far less of a pure motivation. it's a poor comparison between El Paso and Dayton for that reason, El Paso is clearly more of a pure motivation. Which is why in the post i referenced the leftist talking point of general trump rhetoric inspiring general violence. you can't turn on a CNN panel for 10 minutes without hearing a pundit say something about dog whistles and how extreme rhetoric (that doesnt espouse violence) can inspire violence. "when you live in a country where the president sends the message that this is ok" etc.



similar is a relative term, it doesn't mean "this % alike". you and I are similar, we're both human men who post on D2jsp. we're not similar in literally any other way.

so again, learn how to use words.

Quote (TransTankie @ Aug 7 2019 02:14pm)

I mean extreme rhetoric that doesn't explicitly call for violence can absolutely inspire it.... and Trump has helped normalise this shit for sure.
But he's a symptom of a greater sickness in the West. All he's done is accelerate what was already happening. Late-stage capitalism is breaking democracies down into plutocracies and oligarchies. The resultant chaos is a scramble to place blame anywhere other than on the people who support, promote and profit from this system and those it oppresses. This new kind of corporatist, economically libertarian and individualistic proto-fascism has arisen specifically to protect those interests. Rather than to account for and remedy a sudden economic catastrophe it seeks to mitigate opposition to the slow decline into economic catastrophe that capitalist democracies inevitably face.

Quote (bogie160 @ 7 Aug 2019 19:17)

"Individualistic proto-fascism"

Orwell is rolling in his grave.

Quote (TransTankie @ Aug 7 2019 01:14pm)

I mean extreme rhetoric that doesn't explicitly call for violence can absolutely inspire it.... and Trump has helped normalise this shit for sure.
But he's a symptom of a greater sickness in the West. All he's done is accelerate what was already happening. Late-stage capitalism is breaking democracies down into plutocracies and oligarchies. The resultant chaos is a scramble to place blame anywhere other than on the people who support, promote and profit from this system and those it oppresses. This new kind of corporatist, economically libertarian and individualistic proto-fascism has arisen specifically to protect those interests. Rather than to account for and remedy a sudden economic catastrophe it seeks to mitigate opposition to the slow decline into economic catastrophe that capitalist democracies inevitably face.

Quote (thesnipa @ 7 Aug 2019 20:52)

as the standard of lives increase the expectations do as well. most of the unrest has to do with the modern population being so coddled. life is FAR better, even if i buy 1/10th of your hyperbole on how bad "fascism" is in the west it's still 100x better than 100 years ago. nothing wrong with fighting injustice, but hyperbole serves no one.

Quote (TransTankie @ 7 Aug 2019 23:02)

100 yrs ago the word 'fascism' had only been around for a couple of years.

Lmk when you realise democracy in the US is dead.

Quote (CarsV @ Aug 7 2019 09:08am)

I agree with you. I think the El Paso shooter was a confirmed 8chan poster?

The chan sites are a special something. I occasionally browsed their boards for deleted ASMR material and you could smell the insecurity and racism from the screen.

These people exist out there. They might be that quiet guy working at the geek squad at your Best Buy for all you know. But they're out there. They have radical beliefs, find brutal harm to others as humorous, and are massively desensitized. That's the scary thing about them.

I think the guy who slashed the young girl's neck open was an 8channer and they all cheered him on for killing a "thot". That the crowd that's out there, the underscore of the toilet.