ahh i see in the bold where u made your issue. i wasn't talking about a serious policy discussion, i was talking about even a general discussion. Gun Control is near taboo levels in the US, we're largely turning a blind eye because of the deep political division. we need to bridge the gap before we try and send a tank across said bridge. that starts with simple allowances of fault from both sides and a softening of rhetoric.

Policy talk requires lots of accurate stats, generally the kind of stats the left doesn't have to back up the reliability of the measures they suggest. such as how many gun crimes measures would prevent, or how many legal purchases would be effected as a result of laws, or whether its even constitutional. it's generally all emotional appeal mixed with blaming the right, the right in turn blames the left. i grew up in gun culture, and my post was an attempt to show leftists what they're up against, the mentality gap they need to bridge. hopefully after reading this you'll get it, finally, but alas i have negative hope.

This wont happen because of the media unfortunately.

Hate crime increase by 17% in 2017 - in U.S -

I CANT IMAGINE FOR 2018

i think it can happen, because of the ever shrinking number of bipartisan issues to focus on. moderate gun control is a bipartisanship issue for the populace. and the lifers in congress/senate need a small but steady supply of "what have you dont for me lately" bipartisan issues to talk about inbetween the partisan hackery. Historically the two largest hurdles have been the NRA lobbying the left/right/center to vote NO on all measures and the left creating omnibus packages that have zero chance to get passed into law rather than handling aspects of gun control on a case by case basis. well, the NRA is having very little traction with the leftist politicians (despite having convinced Fenderp that the right is the only one who takes NRA cash, even though we're not even a decade removed from leftists taking massive piles of cash), and simple reforms are gaining more traction.

tl;dr the media coverage will remain relatively the same, but congress might pass SOMETHING small in spite of that.

Fake hate crime increase by 300%.

Gee I wonder what is happening

I'm under the impression that crime is measured by convictions and not accusations. Excluding the "fake" hate crime.

Youre making a mistake if youre placing your faith in the intellectual faculties of french sausage here.

He's actually funnier than most on this forum for me. Bringing some intellectual valid points, being thrown aside by partisan citizens. Mainly with the excuse of being "French". haha lol, no argument.

generally both are used. the UCR data measures criminal conviction, and many organizations also do polling to measure crime generally as a comparison.

Hate crimes from a conviction standpoint aren't that reliable of a metric because they're not applied in 100% of cases where they're applicable.

Hate crimes from a societal polling perspective aren't reliable either in the other direction, because you have overlaps in reporting and polls generally return excess results by their very nature.

most studies bring both stats in and give a judgement about where in the middle they think the actual numbers are.

trying to find a middle ground with increased accusation rate resulting into increased convictions as well, while actually numbers of hate crimes committed might actually not have increased.
Seems to make one want to invest into what Samus said.

Yet for now I'll keep expecting hate crimes to increase due to polarization of US society, with a role to play for the government in it as well.