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Quote (Ghot @ Jul 3 2018 08:57am)
Voter ID has nothing to do with race, w/e you may assume. It is to prevent voter fraud.
I think voter fraud should be more of a worry than the tiny amount of unemployed and/or homeless that this might affect.


"tiny amount it may affect"
"3-5 million illegal votes costing Trump the popular vote"

funny how little or big something can be made up depending on the republican narrative
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24 Things that require Photo ID
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/24-things-that-require-a-photo-id

1. Alcohol
2. Cigarettes
3. Opening a bank account
4. Apply for food stamps
5. Apply for welfare
6. Apply for Medicaid/Social Security
7. Apply for unemployment or a job
8. Rent/buy a house, apply for a mortgage
9. Drive/buy/rent a car
10. Get on an airplane
11. Get married
12. Purchase a gun
13. Adopt a pet
14. Rent a hotel room
15. Apply for a hunting license
16. Apply for a fishing license
17. Buy a cell phone
18. Visit a casino
19. Pick up a prescription
20. Hold a rally or protest
21. Blood donations
22. Buy an "M" rated video game
23. Purchase nail polish at CVS
24. Purchase certain cold medicines

The disenfranchised are missing out.

It should be the responsibility of the Government to provide said Identification if it will be required for voting if an individual does not already have one. Since Every Legal voter has an SSA it should be easy enough to get this done and until it is, the ID requirement should not be mandated. The burden should not be shouldered solely on the individual to exercise their voting right. IMO
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Quote (Beowulf @ Jul 3 2018 12:01pm)
"tiny amount it may affect"
"3-5 million illegal votes costing Trump the popular vote"

funny how little or big something can be made up depending on the republican narrative


There are 20 million illegal mexicans here

You have to have extra chromosomes to think they arent going to try to steal control of the government
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There are 20 million illegal mexicans here

You have to have extra chromosomes to think they arent going to try to steal control of the government


Show me the proof of 3-5 million illegal votes

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Quote (Beowulf @ Jul 3 2018 04:54pm)
Show me the proof of 3-5 million illegal votes


How to give proof, if you can't tell if they are US citizens by requiring them to prove they are? (not American, don't vote in the US just curious)
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"tiny amount it may affect"
"3-5 million illegal votes costing Trump the popular vote"

funny how little or big something can be made up depending on the republican narrative


I love how convenient the 3 million figure is in the context of a 2.9 million popular vote deficit.
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Quote (iBruno @ Jul 3 2018 10:01am)
How to give proof, if you can't tell if they are US citizens by requiring them to prove they are? (not American, don't vote in the US just curious)


How do you make the claim of 3-5 million swaying the popular vote without proof?
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Jul 3 2018 11:05am
Native's don't deserve more land, they deserve better protected land and protected right's on that land.
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Quote (Beowulf @ Jul 3 2018 12:54pm)
Show me the proof of 3-5 million illegal votes


Enact voter ID and observe the difference from usual trends
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Jul 3 2018 11:08am
Quote (Beowulf @ Jul 3 2018 05:02pm)
How do you make the claim of 3-5 million swaying the popular vote without proof?


Speculation is good for debates. Making random claims without proof is not.

I'm all for requirting ID to vote. In Brazil voting is mandatory by law after a certain age, and valid form of ID is required to enter the voting centers.

If you chose not to vote, and no attempts to "excuse" why you didn't show up, there are consequences. No jail or fines, but mostly related to government related things. You can't apply for jobs in the Gov, not allowed to receive Gov grants and so on.

Edit: as for Natives land, I think it might be a little too late to just hand them more land and whatnot. That land is owned by the US GOV, not the natives. The US GOV gained ownership by means of force, the same way every single country did in the past for the most part.

This post was edited by iBruno on Jul 3 2018 11:09am
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