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May 30 2018 07:07am
Quote (EndlessSky @ May 30 2018 07:52am)
Circular logic is circular


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May 30 2018 07:28am
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I have no idea what crypto-nazi even means. You lumped in casual racists on the minority side, but not on the white side.

Another thing that hurts debate is the defensiveness and/or dismissiveness when discussing racism, or particular issues that effect minorities. Anything that triggers whitey is dismissed as identity politics.


This is true on all sides, not just white.
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May 30 2018 07:36am
watch out for that ambien

it'll cast you deep into the conspiracy sunken place and cause you to post old school ape comparison racism
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May 30 2018 07:39am
Quote (Beowulf @ May 30 2018 08:36am)
watch out for that ambien

it'll cast you deep into the conspiracy sunken place and cause you to post old school ape comparison racism


ambien walrus strikes again
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May 30 2018 08:04am
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May 30 2018 08:41am
just pages and pages of ghot dodging his hypocrisy on the first amendment. no shocker. he's shown time and again that if he doesn't get he's being hypocritical instantly he'll spend 10+ pages finding bullshit excuses for how things are different employing nothing but hindsight.

cant expect much more from a guy who claimed he didn't need to research modern North Korean foreign policy because he had relatives who fought in the war there 70 years ago.
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May 30 2018 09:58am
Quote (IceMage @ May 30 2018 06:38am)
I have no idea what crypto-nazi even means. You lumped in casual racists on the minority side, but not on the white side.

Another thing that hurts debate is the defensiveness and/or dismissiveness when discussing racism, or particular issues that effect minorities. Anything that triggers whitey is dismissed as identity politics.




Crypto-nazi was the granddaddy of the modern 'ur racist!' shrieks. It was the accusation thrown at conservatives, that they secretly supported fascism whether they knew it or not- impugning motives. Rather than attacking the argument, attacking the person and their motives.
It was right at the center of that rather memorable moment of the 1968 campaign, which has been written about at length since; https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/buckley-vidal-and-the-queer-question

Impugning motives is utterly antithetical to debate. You can be defensive or offensive or a skycuckoolander when it comes to any issue and still make coherent arguments and deconstruct an opponent's arguments, but once it turns into name-calling and accusing someone else of holding beliefs they don't hold, there's nowhere a debate can go. Call someone a liar or call them a racist or nazi or crypto-nazi, and its the abrupt end of any reasoned debate. Its why its literally banned in the senate, after a fistfight in 1902.
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May 30 2018 10:17am
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYymnxoQnf8

Crypto-nazi was the granddaddy of the modern 'ur racist!' shrieks. It was the accusation thrown at conservatives, that they secretly supported fascism whether they knew it or not- impugning motives. Rather than attacking the argument, attacking the person and their motives.
It was right at the center of that rather memorable moment of the 1968 campaign, which has been written about at length since; https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/buckley-vidal-and-the-queer-question

Impugning motives is utterly antithetical to debate. You can be defensive or offensive or a skycuckoolander when it comes to any issue and still make coherent arguments and deconstruct an opponent's arguments, but once it turns into name-calling and accusing someone else of holding beliefs they don't hold, there's nowhere a debate can go. Call someone a liar or call them a racist or nazi or crypto-nazi, and its the abrupt end of any reasoned debate. Its why its literally banned in the senate, after a fistfight in 1902.


I don't think we're even discussing the same topic. It's just a fact that there are racist people who don't think of themselves as racist. I'm not sure how that fact relates to what you're saying here.
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May 30 2018 10:28am
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/05/30/roseanne-fans-call-for-bill-maher-to-be-fired-after-joked-trump-is-part-orangutan.html

New rule, Donald Trump must immediately submit to a DNA test to determine whether he is, in fact, the love-child of a human woman and an orangutan from the Brooklyn Zoo. Look, Donald, I’m not saying that your mother was repeatedly fucking an orangutan back in the 1940’s. I don’t know if that’s true, I hope it’s not true. But given your face, your physique, your intelligence level… and of course your hair… the American people deserve some real proof that your mother did not spend most nights in 1945 covering her body in banana oil, sneaking into the monkey cage, and compulsively humping an orange-haired ape.


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May 30 2018 10:32am
Quote (HeLiCaL @ May 30 2018 09:28am)
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/05/30/roseanne-fans-call-for-bill-maher-to-be-fired-after-joked-trump-is-part-orangutan.html

New rule, Donald Trump must immediately submit to a DNA test to determine whether he is, in fact, the love-child of a human woman and an orangutan from the Brooklyn Zoo. Look, Donald, I’m not saying that your mother was repeatedly fucking an orangutan back in the 1940’s. I don’t know if that’s true, I hope it’s not true. But given your face, your physique, your intelligence level… and of course your hair… the American people deserve some real proof that your mother did not spend most nights in 1945 covering her body in banana oil, sneaking into the monkey cage, and compulsively humping an orange-haired ape.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/izlS15orhP0/maxresdefault.jpg


yeah

calling a white 80s villain with comic book hair and and an oompa loompa spray tan an orangutan is a great comparison to calling a black person an ape

great work
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