This is another one of those times when there are a few very easy, very convincing arguments that could be used but I never see made. Then again they require a bit of abstraction and foresight, so it's not surprising I never see them made by the "Mudslums R scury" crowd.

...because you don't pay attention . It's not an abstraction to know that the Brussels bombers were first wanting to attack a nuclear power plant , it's a current news story .

It actually wouldn't be isolationism that would make this possible, but toppling enough regimes and destabilizing enough regions for ISIS to become a more serious threat. We created ISIS when we invaded Iraq, and armed them when we disbanded Iraq's military. Then we armed ISIS again when we took out Gaddafi.. some reports even suggest that ISIS got hold of Gaddafi's chemical weapon stockpile (unconfirmed)


Furthermore, in every country we've gotten involved in militarily, this has happened to the rate of terrorism

Afghanistan http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/Results.aspx?search=afghanistan&sa.x=44&sa.y=22&sa=Search




Iraq http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/Results.aspx?search=iraq&sa.x=17&sa.y=17&sa=Search



Yemen http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/Results.aspx?search=yemen&sa.x=27&sa.y=10&sa=Search



Pakistan http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/Results.aspx?search=pakistan&sa.x=29&sa.y=13&sa=Search
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Libya http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/Results.aspx?search=libya&sa.x=0&sa.y=0&sa=Search
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No countries we have gotten involved in militarily has experienced a decrease in terrorism. Before the war on terror, Britain had a higher rate of terrorist attacks than Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Iraq, and Syria

Mission accomplished

This post was edited by TCassa89 on Mar 25 2016 09:47pm

Wanted to and had the means to are very different. It doesn't matter what the motives are if they do not have the ability to pull it off. You're still in the "mudslums are scary" territory.

I contend taking in waves of immigrants is the opposite of isolationist. (except trade)
We need more nationalistic policies that puts our homeland and it's people above foreigners and entangling alliances. Those we do let into our home need to be net contributors with useful skills, education and be economically stable.

Japan shows us a model for success here, we'd be wise to emulate certain aspects of it.

This post was edited by Master_Zappy on Mar 25 2016 09:43pm

Japan is a relatively small country without land borders and haven't been active participants in the region like we have so they avoid both the problem and moral hazard though.

Mass killings are a threat to the public sphere which makes social life possible. A large ethnic underclass that sympathizes with and provides material support to these terrorists is enormously concerning.

Western Europeans enjoy a modern standard of living. The Islamic world, by comparison, is an absolute mess. Mass importation of 3rd world problems without any sort of plan for assimilation can lead to a collapse in order, and it fuels the same right-nationalism you're afraid of.

Bold - Where are these mass killings? I'm sort of surprised that Wikipedia is suppressing these numbers, are they in on the anti-Islam conspiracy?



Japan is a nation of 120,000,000 and it's economy is gigantic, they're definitely not a small country in any sense of the word that has meaning.

They're facing existential issues of their own, but homogeneity does lead to a certain sense of social order. It's not a surprise that crime is so low.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Mar 25 2016 09:51pm

Pretty much

Even the richest terrorist organisations have no navy or air force capable of any scale invasion. The only thing they are capable of in Europe and America is street level attacks, which is indeed a serious threat, but should not be blown out of proportion

...obviously your strategy is to withdraw from the world and abandon our treaty obligations . I already explained to you how the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait is the actual cause in the recent and rapid increase of radical Islam but you will continue to ignore facts that don't fit your mindset .

When people argue that ISIS is a serious threat they seem to be doing it from a standpoint that we aren't doing anything to combat them. If we weren't, then I would absolutely agree they are an existential threat. Saudi Arabia is starving them with low oil prices, we bomb them daily, they're constantly cutting money to the men in the field, the whole organization is suffering. They are obviously not a major threat right now because of our efforts. All they are capable of at this time is the occasional attack on the citizenry, which while tragic, is not anywhere near an existential threat to our nations, military, or anything above the citizen level. Funny thing is their threat level should be placed below our global banking system in terms of dollar damage that could be caused....