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Mar 21 2016 11:48am
Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 21 2016 12:35pm)
The fat apologist movement is pushing the term "food desert" to claim that fatties, particularly the poor black ones, aren't responsible for their own obesity because they don't have access or wherewithal to eat healthy


I spend about 20 dollars a week on groceries and typically eat eggs, bacon, steak, chicken, rice, varied vegetables and varied fruit and drink water. I shop at a food market in the middle of one of the more poverty stricken areas of the city (not the worst, but definitely not a nice part of town). I spend around 2-4 hours every sunday shopping and then weighing/preparing about 10 servings/meals at a time which makes up lunch/dinners for the week, then make room to cook breakfast each morning.

Its all about effort, and these people don't want to put any in. They just want results with none of the work. I was overweight. Went from 150 lbs to 230 lbs in less than 5 years, via a diet of nothing but mt dew, shitty burgers, and ice cream. I also spent WAY more money to be obese than I ever have to be healthy. To realize just how terrible I was treating my body it took some serious shaming from my dad, and a large lack of female attention. I wish people would have beaten it into me earlier so I didn't have stretch marks and shit.

I'm sure there are places where there is a lack of access to healthy food, but its because people won't buy it. Its not worth it to build a healthy food market in the ghetto because no one goes to them.

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Mar 21 2016 11:53am
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 21 2016 11:47am)
...it's not a great leap to understand that in areas devoid of decent grocery stores the residents have to rely on the overly processed and fatty fast foods that are the normal fare for those establishments . That it has a serious influence on their weight and overall health stands to reason .


Maybe walmart should be charged with indirect genocide after closing up so many groceries after driving the competition out
Its an overblown claim. The metrics used by the fat apologists to say areas are 'devoid of decent grocery stores' are ridiculous, like saying a grocer doesn't count if it has less than 20 employees. Whats wrong with the mom & pop in rural areas? Its not all bodegas. And in urban areas, 95%+ have reasonable access to grocers anyway, yet obesity is epidemic, why is that? The government provides nutrition programs targeted at providing healthy foods, yet they are widely misused. A dedicated individual could live skinny on potatoes, but landwhales cramming their faces with tubs of icecream are the norm.
The problem lies with the consumer's motivations. People aren't fat because they're force-fed.

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Mar 21 2016 11:56am
Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 21 2016 12:53pm)
Maybe walmart should be charged with indirect genocide after closing up so many groceries after driving the competition out
Its an overblown claim. The metrics used by the fat apologists to say areas are 'devoid of decent grocery stores' are ridiculous, like saying a grocer doesn't count if it has less than 20 employees. Whats wrong with the mom & pop in rural areas? Its not all bodegas
The government provides nutrition programs targeted at this already, yet they are widely misused. A dedicated individual could live skinny on potatoes, but landwhales cramming their faces with tubs of icecream are the norm.
The problem lies with the consumer's motivations. People aren't fat because they're force-fed.


If anyone wants some insight into this lifestyle, I suggest working at McDonalds for a month. The shit people order will make you want to vomit. 1 person comes in, orders 4500 calories of food, pays $25 bucks for a tray of garbage, and eats it all then goes home to vlog about how some skinny asshole looked at them weird and they felt scared to buy food at the store today.
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Mar 21 2016 11:58am
Quote (Mangix @ Mar 21 2016 11:56am)
If anyone wants some insight into this lifestyle, I suggest working at McDonalds for a month. The shit people order will make you want to vomit. 1 person comes in, orders 4500 calories of food, pays $25 bucks for a tray of garbage, and eats it all then goes home to vlog about how some skinny asshole looked at them weird and they felt scared to buy food at the store today.


on the bright side, we racist white folk don't have to be scared walking through the bad neighborhoods anymore because the black people couldn't chase us a block
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Mar 21 2016 12:01pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 21 2016 01:53pm)
Maybe walmart should be charged with indirect genocide after closing up so many groceries after driving the competition out
Its an overblown claim. The metrics used by the fat apologists to say areas are 'devoid of decent grocery stores' are ridiculous, like saying a grocer doesn't count if it has less than 20 employees. Whats wrong with the mom & pop in rural areas? Its not all bodegas. And in urban areas, 95%+ have reasonable access to grocers anyway, yet obesity is epidemic, why is that? The government provides nutrition programs targeted at providing healthy foods, yet they are widely misused. A dedicated individual could live skinny on potatoes, but landwhales cramming their faces with tubs of icecream are the norm.
The problem lies with the consumer's motivations. People aren't fat because they're force-fed.


...the cost of foodstuffs at small Mom & Pop grocery markets is prohibitively high when compared to your standard Piggly-Wiggly and they can not offer a daily supply of fresh fruits , vegetables and healthier choices like fish .
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Mar 21 2016 12:05pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 21 2016 12:01pm)
...the cost of foodstuffs at small Mom & Pop grocery markets is prohibitively high when compared to your standard Piggly-Wiggly and they can not offer a daily supply of fresh fruits , vegetables and healthier choices like fish .


the government should create social programs to help the disadvantaged buy healthy foodstuffs!
or are you shopping exclusively at whole foods and thinking a 3.5 pound bag of onions has a 'prohibitive cost'?
eating healthy when you do your own cooking isn't prohibitive at all. Having meat at every meal is more the problem

This post was edited by Goomshill on Mar 21 2016 12:05pm
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Mar 21 2016 12:10pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 21 2016 02:05pm)
the government should create social programs to help the disadvantaged buy healthy foodstuffs!
or are you shopping exclusively at whole foods and thinking a 3.5 pound bag of onions has a 'prohibitive cost'?
eating healthy when you do your own cooking isn't prohibitive at all. Having meat at every meal is more the problem


...if by meal you mean the standard fare of the poor of cheap hot dogs , processed hot dog buns served with boxed mac & cheese you might be closer to the truth .
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Mar 21 2016 12:19pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 21 2016 01:10pm)
...if by meal you mean the standard fare of the poor of cheap hot dogs , processed hot dog buns served with boxed mac & cheese you might be closer to the truth .


I think I amply rebutted the fact that it cost more or extra money to eat healthy when I came up with that $100 grocery list of massive quantities of healthy meals to eat like a king a month or two ago, you know the one. It costs more money to eat unhealthy with boxed and convenience foods.
No lie, a summer or two ago, it was cheaper to buy lobster then hotdogs up here. On St Patrick's day I bought a decent sized corned beef, head of cabbage, a large onion and potatoes for like $11 and got ~4 meals out of that. That would cost less then a one large pizza, or 2 "value meals " at mcd's.

I'm not sold on the idea of "food oasis" either.

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Quote (duffman316 @ Mar 20 2016 11:24am)
i don't watch a whole lot of tv but knowing that this exists and keeps getting renewed for more seasons makes me wonder where society is headed :mellow:

i remember from my one sociology class that we make special accommodations for sick people with the explicit requirement that they want to get better and will make an effort to get better - and this is generally how i view obesity, it's fine to be obese so long as you're making a concious effort to get healthier

but it seems like morbidly obese people just keep making excuses (medical conditions that defy physics) and it's considered impolite to call them out on it these days

i'd like to think shame has a healthy function in society and we ought to shame family members who let themselves go like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCBxTAnWNg


Idiocracy will eventually be classified as a documentary.
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Mar 21 2016 12:24pm
Quote (Master_Zappy @ Mar 21 2016 12:19pm)
I think I rebutted the fact that it cost more or extra money to eat healthy when I came up with that $100 grocery list of massive quantities of healthy meals to eat like a king a month or two ago, you know the one. It costs more money to eat unhealthy with boxed and convenience foods.
No lie, a summer or two ago, it was cheaper to buy lobster then hotdogs. On St Patrick's day I bought a decent sized corned beef, head of cabbage, a large onion and potatoes for like $11 and got ~4 meals out of that. That would cost less then a one large pizza, or 2 "value meals " at mcd's.

I'm not sold on the idea of "food oasis" either.


People think i'm fucking nuts when i tell them about grocery stores in the hood that have literally zero fresh vegetables, literal. A few dented cans and you might be lucky. Now can someone get into the bus and ride across town to another grocery store? Sure. But there are very real places that are food deserts.

The biggest tool to fight this dynamic is urban agriculture, from community gardens to indoor home gardens. This of course requires a lot of education for populations of people that know nothing of farming. Luckily it is slowly catching on, New York is seeing an explosion of urban farming.
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