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Aug 21 2015 01:19pm
Quote (Nearin @ Aug 21 2015 02:18pm)
don't all babies go to hell because we have original sin


It's said Jesus took original sin from us. I could be wrong though.
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It's said Jesus took original sin from us. I could be wrong though.


I think you have to be baptised and wash away your orig sin, but like you, i dont follow this bible shit too well :lol:
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Aug 21 2015 01:40pm
Quote (Unanswered @ 21 Aug 2015 19:19)
It's said Jesus took original sin from us. I could be wrong though.


Depends if ur Catholic or not.

Technically, biblically, babies go to hell as they have not accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Saviour.

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If all the babies went to Heaven because they never sinned, does it really matter? If they were to grow up they would have sinned and not gone to Heaven. Which is the better option?

Shall I also explain to you the difference between murder and killing?


So... ignoring that the bible says they would actually go to hell... your argument is that it's ok to kill babies because they will go to heaven? It's morally acceptable to kill an innocent child because you're just sending them to paradise?

... and you think you have any chance of winning this argument from morality?

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Quote (Nearin @ Aug 21 2015 02:22pm)
I think you have to be baptised and wash away your orig sin, but like you, i dont follow this bible shit too well :lol:


Its interesting to learn about different religions. I've been watching documentaries and lectures about them all. Then again who's to say what I'm watching is the correct one?
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Its interesting to learn about different religions. I've been watching documentaries and lectures about them all. Then again who's to say what I'm watching is the correct one?


there is no correct one, in my experience, people use the interpretation best suited to their current argument.


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Depends if ur Catholic or not.

Technically, biblically, babies go to hell as they have not accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Saviour.



So... ignoring that the bible says they would actually go to hell... your argument is that it's ok to kill babies because they will go to heaven? It's morally acceptable to kill an innocent child because you're just sending them to paradise?

... and you think you have any chance of winning this argument from morality?


but this is basically what i was getting at
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Aug 21 2015 01:52pm
Quote (Scaly @ Aug 21 2015 12:40pm)
Depends if ur Catholic or not.

Technically, biblically, babies go to hell as they have not accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Saviour.


Wait, but then what did Jesus die for? What actual functional difference did his death make?
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Aug 21 2015 01:57pm
Quote (Nearin @ Aug 21 2015 02:51pm)
there is no correct one, in my experience, people use the interpretation best suited to their current argument.




but this is basically what i was getting at


Troo.

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Wait, but then what did Jesus die for? What actual functional difference did his death make?


Lets say its true. Then what about the babies that were killed before hand?

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Quote (Scaly @ Aug 21 2015 03:40pm)
Depends if ur Catholic or not.

Technically, biblically, babies go to hell as they have not accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Saviour.


...show where .
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Aug 21 2015 02:54pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ 21 Aug 2015 20:23)
...show where .


All throughout mate. The gospel of salvation is that unless you have accepted Jesus as your lord and saviour and through him Yahweh as your one true God you will burn in hellfire. Babies can't make that choice... they haven't the comprehension to do so.

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Wait, but then what did Jesus die for? What actual functional difference did his death make?


Well now you can be a complete dick, you can sin as much as you want and still go to heaven as long as you have accepted Christ. There is no real moral judgement of your soul... the ONLY punishable sin is atheism... or I suppose believing but rejecting God.
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Quote (Unanswered @ 21 Aug 2015 14:19)
It's said Jesus took original sin from us. I could be wrong though.


most protestant Christians believe that; Jesus died and took on all of our sins, not just "original sin"


Quote (Nearin @ 21 Aug 2015 14:18)
don't all babies go to hell because we have original sin



Quote (russian @ 21 Aug 2015 14:52)
Wait, but then what did Jesus die for? What actual functional difference did his death make?


Quote (Nearin @ 21 Aug 2015 14:51)
there is no correct one, in my experience, people use the interpretation best suited to their current argument.

but this is basically what i was getting at


Once again it is common protestant belief that from birth to the time that free will allows one to enteract with God and accept the gift of salvation through his son Jesus Christ. That mankind is protected or "covered by Prevenient grace. So no babies won't go to hell. God threw in a codicil for that.




Quote (Scaly @ 21 Aug 2015 15:54)
All throughout mate. The gospel of salvation is that unless you have accepted Jesus as your lord and saviour and through him Yahweh as your one true God you will burn in hellfire. Babies can't make that choice... they haven't the comprehension to do so.



Well now you can be a complete dick, you can sin as much as you want and still go to heaven as long as you have accepted Christ. There is no real moral judgement of your soul... the ONLY punishable sin is atheism... or I suppose believing but rejecting God.


Yes and no scaly you seem to think that Pascal's wager would be a logical wager right? The thing is you can't yell in your last breath " Oh cripes! I almost forgot..I accept Jesus!" That's not quite how it works it's not like a game of kick the can where as long as you beat whoever is it back to the can you're safe. When you reach out to Jesus it must be with conviction and faith, accept means that in your heart you no longer have a doubt that there is one and only one God and his so truly is Jesus. You have to have faith in the resurrection story and not doubt it. You have to have that conviction/ faith otherwise it's just hollow words.

That's why Pascal's wager is a fool's game it doesn't take into consideration, faith.
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