It's sinful to kill an unborn man or woman, a very grievous thing to do with the heart of its intention rooted in abomination.

We were not created for the purpose of destruction, but rather so that we may be born to live a fruitful life. As such, one should not conceive only to abort.

One who decides to destroy the unborn temple of God shall surely bear the iniquity.

This post was edited by lodd222 on Oct 7 2014 12:24am

That is carrying my statement to the hysterical extreme. But should anyone's objections count in stopping me if I want to amputate my arms and legs?

A unborn fetus is totally dependent on the mother if the mother were to die while the baby was still in the womb or birth canal, without medical intervention the baby would die.

this makes the baby an extension of the mother, a part of her something that only she can make the decisions about.



my point about my feeling personally that I wouldn't want my wife to have an abortion. Yet ultimately I believe without a doubt that it is a woman's choice to do what she chooses with her body.

When we let laws get passed that reflect the morals of the ones; in power, who are loudest, who lobby the hardest..etc...

when those laws affect the personal; lifestyle, choice, conduct, and decisions of a adult when those actions only reflect on that person. Then I think we've let lawmaking go haywire

Yes an individual life starts out as an individual single cell. You don't have to distinguish it. It will do that on it's own as it matures.

Wrong. The baby is an individual human being with it's own DNA. The baby is maturing in it's natural environment, where nature put it for it's own protection. To turn that around as reason to kill it is perverse.

You just fucking did it again.

Does it distinguish itself as individual at conception or later on?

You're literally contradicting yourself in every post.

This post was edited by Scaly on Oct 7 2014 06:37am

as reason to kill it?


all I'm saying is that the only person that should have the "responsibility" to make the decision is the mother,

other people's moral beliefs should not weigh in on her ability to have the abortion only hers..agree?

This post was edited by Valhalls_Sun on Oct 7 2014 06:46am

It is distinguished at the atomic level as it prepares for cell division. Later on it is distinguished at the molecular level as it divides. Later on still it is distinguishable with the naked eye as it is born. It is the same organism all along. A steady continuous chemical reaction that given nothing but time in it's natural environment matures into a newborn baby.

Every action you make is destructive
Every breath you take
Your entire existence
Everything we know and see
Everything we don't know, and don't see


Their perspective is not something you can defeat, it is not something that you can use such an argument with.
Your idea that 'pushing morality onto the decisions of others is wrong', and what I responded, is not hysteric. They believe you are taking a developing human life, which you are. They find it to be immoral and murder, you don't.
If they believe it to be murder, shouldn't any good man push to prevent it if that's what they believe?

You have to stop arguing against their points with "personal choices that only reflect on them", because that is completely ignorant to their point.

Quote (Tylr @ 6 Oct 2014 12:05)
[QUOTE]Than let it be wrong for anyone to object as I cut your limbs off?[QUOTE]

[QUOTE]
Their perspective is not something you can defeat, it is not something that you can use such an argument with.
Your idea that 'pushing morality onto the decisions of others is wrong', and what I responded, is not hysteric. They believe you are taking a developing human life, which you are. They find it to be immoral and murder, you don't.
If they believe it to be murder, shouldn't any good man push to prevent it if that's what they believe?

You have to stop arguing against their points with "personal choices that only reflect on them", because that is completely ignorant to their point.[/QUOTE]


dude you brought up the cutting off limbs not me.


I respect the fact that they believe the fetus is a developing human life because it is, I've never argued that it wasn't.

That's why this is a hard decision that should take careful consideration on the mother's part, with consultation on the father's part if he's available and interested. There should be pre and post counseling available.

But all said and done it has to be the mother's choice. When we allow the moral outrage of just a segment of the population affect laws that dictate a person's personal or medical choice, then I think we are

removing that person's rights

Ahem. Baby killers. That is all.

I think abortion should be legal under a few circumstances, such as deformations, rape, etc. If a woman decides to kill a healthy fetus, she should be forcefully sterilized. I also believe that a man that skips out on child support should be sterilized. Too many women seem to think that somehow they should be allowed to abort a fetus because it's, "their body and their choice." These women want people to stay out of their business and let them make their own decisions. These same people are forcing others to pay for their birth control, and are usually anti-2a. Talk about hypocrisy.

This country is fucked. Too many ignorant people making ignorant choices and crying about the outcome. No one forced you to have sex, but you forced the baby to die. Again, talk about hypocrisy.

This post was edited by Promethian on Oct 8 2014 03:08am