I take pride in having the ability to proclaim the truth and being bold enough to do so. Call it what you will.

I will start with your comment because the above comments are either answered already or are just arguments about 2 people who won't change their beliefs and therefore have no business being on here. I stated at the beginning of the thread that this topic is for answers from a Biblical teaching of the Bible and not for people to argue back and forth without biblical text.

1) I agree. I have shown verses that point to that.
2) I agree that some people may do this. It saddens me that some people do this, in fact as Christians we are called to call out those who are sinning that are claiming to be Christians. We are not to judge non-Christians, but we are suppose to call out our brothers and sisters. But to say that tounges and prophecy is bad because some people use it as an emotional stimulus is like saying all presents are bad because some people do it in attempt to get more. Should we not teach out of the Bible because it may cause people to give more? Or should we stop doing worship because it puts people in an emotional mood?

So I think it is wise to examine those who are speaking in tounges and prophesying and compare what they are doing to the scriptures. Be slow to condemn what they are doing. If something they say is extra biblical be weary to reject it immediately. If something is counterbiblical then tell them to their face. Tounges and prophecy our gifts to uplift the body and shouldn't be cast aside because some people use them for personal advantage. God will judge those who are using his gifts for their own good.

I have read through a lot of the discussion. I want to tidbit that there is a truth that is THE truth. Whichever said it falls on doesn't matter how many followers there are...there is a truth that is the truth. I will save this post to try to present both sides of this argument. I want to point out that Christians can disagree about a single subject and both still go to heaven. I would like to say that we are to strive for unity. Now how can we do this? If we are spending our time nitpicking each others beliefs systems, we will find flaws while forgetting to love and seek unity. If we both our looking at God and examining ourselves then we will both be closer to the truth without condemning each other.
So should we not bring up problems in beliefs? I believe we should, but when doing so we need to make sure that we are not causing others to stray. IF you plan to continue arguing I would appreciate it to be in private message and not in the public eye of people who aren't believers.

That explanation always seems insufficient to me. If someone gets over their illness while someone is praying for them then the person who did the praying assumed their prayer caused them to get better. But if the person does not get better it's because god had other plans, or the person doing the praying wasn't a "true" believer. So god will get credit regardless of the outcome.

I now want to do some summing up from the last 2 pages.
Matthew 18
15 “If your brother or sister[b] sins,[c] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[d] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

So please if you are a Christian on this page. If you are planning to argue about doctrine and condemn each other, do it in a pm. If one of you believes that isn't working, then pm me and I will try say my thoughts on it and if either of you don't like what I say, then post it on the Christian forum page. This thread is not for arguing among Christians, but for Christians to answer from a Biblical perspective. I know you both wanted to post your views, and now they are posted. Move on.

With that being said...
Bump for questions

Yep...God gets credit. Seems pretty accurate when life itself is defined by God. But even if people see miracles doesn't mean they will believe in God. In fact, the are cities in the Bible that Jesus talks about healings happening and they still don't believe. So to answer the question i don't know why I have seen guys spontaneously able to see or people to get out of wheelchairs. I don't know how dead people get up. But hey I see God responsible for life itself so I give him credit. If it is just goodwishing, fine then the ability for bodies to heal is a miracle. If people are cured by 6 weeks of bed rest, then ok God made our bodies resilient enough to recover. But for the times that something happens instantly, I say hey I think that God really showed up.

Those are commonly faked practices. If that happened at your church I would find a new church. It's also a good idea to be a bit skeptical when someone claims to perform miracles rather than just take them at face value. There are a lot of people who use peoples religious beliefs to make money. For the rest of your post I can understand your thought process. You think god created us, so us healing over time without his intervention is still thanks to him for the way he created us.

This post was edited by dark-soul on Jun 30 2014 09:47pm

They didn't happen at our church...they happened on the streets when I met random people in Texas, Brazil and Mongolia. I guess everyone was faking it?

If you had no medical records and never met the people before why would you believe it was a miraculous event? Based on your story yes it would be safe to say they were faking it. You should be skeptical of people making miraculous claims.

Or are you projecting the wrath that you fear will come should it turn out that you are wrong?