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Apr 2 2013 08:38am
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Apr 2 2013 04:28am)
...you have just corrupted the meaning and intent of this particular Scripture for your own selfish posturing .  :(


How so? I provided examples to what I mean. If all bibles were burned, does that mean ultimate truth has been destroyed?
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Apr 2 2013 08:43am
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How so?  I provided examples to what I mean.  If all bibles were burned, does that mean ultimate truth has been destroyed?


...if you do not grasp the intent of that Scripture you should never , ever forward another interpretation and I will not play your usual game of deflecting from your errors by playing 50 questions !
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Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Apr 2 2013 07:43am)
...if you do not grasp the intent ofthat Scripture you should never , ever forward another interpretation and I will not play your usual game of deflecting from your errors by playing 50 questions  !


What "that Scripture"? I think you are reading one or two of my posts and misunderstanding. I am talking to Poulgragr who said the word of God is always changing and therefore contradicts its infallible nature.

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Would you still follow the life long journey on that path if you KNEW before you started that at the end of that path was a dead end?


Fruitless discussion, no? How does one know the end of the path?

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I believe in the unchanged WORD of God which is a tricky thing to most people, because in John it states the Word IS God and therefore unchangeable.  This is sort of the premise to absolute truth.

The Word of God (capital W) is the notion of ultimate truth.  It is often represented by the Bible.  However, is the Word of God the literal bible?  Yes and no.  Hypothetically, if all bibles were destroyed, does that mean the Word of God is destroyed?  No.  The Word of God is the ultimate truth that exists.  It can exist without the presence of Bibles, and can be passed on orally.

It's often paralleled that the Word of God is the Bible, though the Bible is just a manifestation of the Word.  Can this manifestation of the Word be changing?  Yes and no again.  The original languages of the Bible, Hebrew + Greek + a little Aramaic is believed to be the most authentic representation of the Word, so this is very very very rarely changed.  Only when earlier and earlier manuscripts are found is there any alterations (like what Poulgragr dug up).  The English translation however is always changing.  The English translation is always changing because culture changes.  We have new idioms for words, and lose meaning for words.  For example, perhaps in Mark 1:41 says  when Jesus "took pity" on the leper, it didn't convey the right meaning.  Current readers may take pity as a very negative thing.  So in essence, to make sure the original meaning of the Greek was kept, the translation may be "Jesus was filled with compassion", or "Jesus was moved with compassion", etc. 

So the English translation changes, but not to change the meaning, but to keep the meaning.



Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ 2 Apr 2013 08:28)
...you have just corrupted the meaning and intent of this particular Scripture for your own selfish posturing .  :(


he is correct, he is using logical reasoning and leaving aside blind faith.
I advise you do the same to gain a better understanding of the scriptures ;)
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Quote (El Shadday @ Apr 2 2013 07:53am)
he is correct, he is using logical reasoning and leaving aside blind faith.
I advise you do the same to gain a better understanding of the scriptures ;)


Why don't you paraphrase what I actually meant so that I am clear you actually understood me.
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Quote (El Shadday @ Apr 2 2013 10:53am)
he is correct, he is using logical reasoning and leaving aside blind faith.
I advise you do the same to gain a better understanding of the scriptures ;)


...don't you dare presume to instruct me on Scripture . There is no acceptable translation of the Bible that allows for spiritualism and reincarnation .
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Why don't you paraphrase what I actually meant so that I am clear you actually understood me.


the word of God is immutable because it is perfect.
what changes is the interpretation of men.
that's why there are thousands of religions in the world.
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...don't you dare presume to instruct me on Scripture . There is no acceptable translation of the Bible that allows for spiritualism and reincarnation .


that's your point of view.
There are several points in the scriptures proving reincarnation.
faith is not discussed.
What is arguable is the logical reasoning with scientific basis.
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Apr 2 2013 09:02am
Quote (El Shadday @ Apr 2 2013 07:58am)
the word of God is immutable because it is perfect.
what changes is the interpretation of men. <--- due to changes in culture
that's why there are thousands of religions in the world.


And you disagree with that? I have shown that culture and language changes over time, so there is no possible way for a 21st century reader to fully understand the Hebrew idiom "Long Nose of God". It needs to be translated properly to the original meaning of the Word, which is "God is slow to anger".

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Quote (El Shadday @ Apr 2 2013 11:01am)
that's your point of view.
There are several points in the scriptures proving reincarnation.
faith is not discussed.
What is arguable is the logical reasoning with scientific basis.


...you keep talking about logic and reason and science . How do you justify this with your belief that you can communicate with the spirits of the dead ?
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