I misunderstood then, I was taking a pedestrian view of if just any ol joe blow shot a dog.

ya my fault for being unclear i admit. been too many people pretending they'd of killed the dog and any dog that growls at them.

flawed data? please tell what is wrong with the overall gist of the data (after reading through the report)
trying to come with a funny argument which has nothing to do with the issue makes you look good?
just in case you haven't understood my argument at all:
not all pitbulls will attack people during their lifetime but pitbulls are more aggressive and more dangerous than most other breeds
also there are reasons why the breed is banned in many countries and other countries have legislation how they have to be controlled

somehow i am at a loss to understand those people who claim that pitbulls are not any risk at all, seems to be a 'religious' issue for owners of pitbulls
what is wrong to say "i like the breed, i am aware that it can be dangerous and i will control it accordingly"?
at least one owner of several pitbulls made that admission if you read through the posts

So anyways.
You can shoot someone if they are a threat to you, if you feel its life or death.

If a dog came running up to me growling i probably would hesitate, maybe not with my child.
Being a shooter i know, at the very least, the basics of safety with a firearm. And shooting a dog at point blank would not be a danger to anyone.

Now, if the owner wasn't nearby or was not seen i would shoot the dog, based on the aggression shown.

If a guy came running at you yelling im going to hurt/kill you, and you had a firearm wouldnt you draw it?
If a dog came running at you showing that he was going to hurt you, and you had a firearm wouldnt you draw it?

Theres people around my neighborhood that walk around with baseball bats, any dog that comes at them is getting hit, no questions, no hesitation, etc.

keep control of your dog when its not on your property/can escape from your property. You become responsible for what happens outside your fence/yard.


Also, you wont go to prison for shooting a dog in an attempted self defense case, unless it was proved to be malicious intent. Which an unleashed dog (illegally) that showed signs of aggression to a man and his child would absolutely, positively NEVER make it to court. Good luck with that.
Also CCW holders are seen as more responsible people with firearms. If you were carrying the firearm without a permit, then you could get fucked for that. I didnt mean to cause a shit storm by saying i carry around a gun, waiting to see a dog, and shooting it, as that seems to be how it was taken. I carry a gun for protection. Ive seen what dogs can do and i dont want that happening to me or anyone in my family. I've shot several dogs that came onto my property, dug holes in my yard, torn up my property, injured my animals, and shit on my porch. Animal control says if the animal is causing a nuisance upon your property then you are allowed to kill the animal.

This post was edited by Wound on Apr 4 2011 09:53pm

sorry, forgot to ask you in my last post
if you believe in the myth that pitbulls are named that way because their bodyshape reflects that of a bull
thought i throw that in to stay on your level of argumentation

Many times a lay person wouldn't be able to read a dog's intentions. Experienced dog owners typically know when a dog is being play aggressive, territorially aggressive, or prey aggressive. Play aggressive dogs typically look up and down while growling/snuffing but won't show their teeth. A territorially aggressive dog will usually show its teeth and look you head on but its feet will remain perfectly still. A prey aggressive dog will usually stamp its feet around, continue to approach you as you move away, and leave its mouth just slightly open, exposing its teeth.

These are broad generalizations though, and it can be extremely difficult to spot the difference between play aggressive and prey aggressive, since in both cases the dog will generally move around a lot. Play aggression can usually be averted by yelling at the dog. Territorial aggression you just have to move away from the dog, but with prey aggression the animal may be impossible to stop short of hitting it with something.

To people reading this, it may sound extremely ambiguous, and it really is. The only reason I know so much about dog aggression is I used to hang out at my neighbors house who would foster dogs from the humane society and would basically determine if they would be adopted out or euthanized. He would put the dogs in a kennel near the sidewalk (2-3 ft away from it) and watch how the dog reacted to people walking by, and if it was aggressive when approached by children; though he never actually let us pet the dogs. Even with what I learned from him from observing dogs for years I still can't say I would be able to accurately determine a dog's intentions in a surprise situation. I love animals and don't want to see them harmed, but if there is even a chance a dog is going to hurt a person seriously, I would rather err on the side of safety for the person.

Look im not saying a barking dog or even a light growling dog is something i wouldnt try to walk away from, but a dog that is obviously showing aggression, growling, teeth etc. im going to draw my gun. Fuck that shit.
If a dog runs at me, growling i see it as a threat, and a response is better that a reaction.
My response is to be ready to dispatch a round into its noggen.

I understand definitely. I mean, even with my advanced exposure to dog behavior I can't say for certain I could read a dog's intent. A prey aggressive dog is nearly unstoppable, because it automatically assumes it has the position of power and right of way, and it isn't that you're invading, it's just that it wants to chase and attack you. This type of dog is generally very rare to encounter outside of a trained attack dog, but on the spot you have no way of knowing for sure.

yep.
Someones mutt isnt worth my childs face.

I had a long typed out post when I finally remembered where I saw that nonsense blog page you posted.
Then I remember who started the site and why and what she stands for and I couldn't help but laugh.

http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/2010/03/the-truth-behind-dogsbiteorg.html

Read the whole thing and then come back to why your evidence is flawed and your arguement is laughable at best.