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Nov 7 2025 10:55am
Congress passed an authorization for the president to have the power to enact such tariffs, and the bounds of it were being argued in front of the supreme court just yesterday.
Do you understand the difference between "Congress hasn't appropriated money, so it can't be spent" and "Congress gives the president the power to impose a tariff, which he does"
Give you a hint, it has to do with congressional approval

If you want SNAP funded, contact your democratic representatives and tell them to fund SNAP


Goom, you’re arguing with people that are not arguing in good faith.
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Nov 7 2025 10:55am
Fucking yikes.
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Nov 7 2025 10:58am
I think its also worth pointing out the irony when we juxtaposition this showdown over how democrats were rallying just weeks ago

The judge is trying to order the executive branch to usurp the power of the purse from congress and arbitrarily requisition billions of dollars of funding without an appropriation bill. Effectively saying that the president has the power to distribute federal funding in any way he seems fit, or not at all. You know, like a king. Didn't take long to break out the crown he was just gifted by lee jae myung. So we're less than 3 weeks since the No Kings protests and democrats are demanding Trump take the throne. Separation of powers? Not for my pet expenditures, not for the program that feeds all the black and brown folks.
I'm not sure how we're supposed to credible entertain democrats when they denounce Trump's creative attempts to find funding revenue available for projects like the border wall through ambiguous authorizations, when here's an attempt to redirect explicitly allocated and unavailable funds, source be damned.

Hell I used the treat or treating metaphor, the DoJ went with 'couch cushions':

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Congress has failed to appropriate funds to pay for Supplemental
Nutritional Assistance Program (“SNAP”) benefits for this fiscal year.
Even after exhausting the entirety of the SNAP contingency reserve—a step
that the Department of Agriculture (“USDA”) took earlier this week in
response to a temporary restraining order issued by the district court—
there is only enough money to pay partial November SNAP benefits. This
is a crisis, to be sure, but it is a crisis occasioned by congressional failure,
and that can only be solved by congressional action.


Instead, a single district judge has devised his own solution: ordering
USDA to cover the SNAP shortfall by transferring billions of dollars that
were appropriated for different, equally critical food-security programs—
and to do so within just one business day (i.e., by today). This
unprecedented injunction makes a mockery of the separation of powers.
Courts hold neither the power to appropriate nor the power to spend.

Courts are charged with enforcing the law, but the law is explicit that
SNAP benefits are subject to available appropriations. Indeed, governing
regulations contemplate that, in the event of a shortfall in funding, USDA
will direct the States to reduce their benefit allotments—which is precisely
what USDA did this week.

The district court insisted that USDA find some way to fund SNAP,
as a mandatory entitlement. But the statute specifically provides that SNAP
payments shall not exceed the funds appropriated for the program. There
is no lawful basis for an order that directs USDA to somehow find $4
billion in the metaphorical couch cushions.


The district court focused specifically on Section 32 of the
Agricultural Adjustment Act Amendment of 1935, which appropriates
revenue for various programs, see 7 U.S.C. § 612c et seq., and ultimately
ordered USDA to divert billions from Child Nutrition Programs that fund,
among other things, school meals for millions of children.
See id. § 612c￾6(b)(1).
But it cannot possibly be arbitrary and capricious for USDA to
decline to raid school-lunch money to instead fund SNAP benefits—to
starve Peter to feed Paul, as it were. Indeed, if every beneficiary of a
mandatory spending program could run to court and force the agency to
transfer funds from elsewhere, the result would be an unworkable and
conflicting plethora of injunctions that reduce the federal fisc to a giant
shell game.
And it is no answer to assume, as the district court did, that
Congress will replenish the borrowed-from programs down the road. That
is pure speculation and, under the Appropriations Clause, agencies cannot
spend money based on wishful thinking. The district court also accused the
President of bad faith for declaring that full SNAP benefits would not
resume until the government reopens. But that was just stating a fact—the
appropriation has lapsed, and it is up to Congress to solve this crisis.
Unfortunately, the district court’s short-sighted injunction has thrust the
Judiciary into the ongoing shutdown negotiations and may well have the
effect of extending the lapse in appropriations, exacerbating the problem
that the court was misguidedly trying to mitigate.

For these reasons, the government is likely to succeed in overturning
this order on appeal, and the equities and public interest cut strongly in
favor of a stay to avoid forcing USDA to permanently impair the Child
Nutrition Programs to the tune of $4 billion. And given the timeline
imposed by the district court, this Court should grant an immediate
administrative stay while it considers this motion.1 The government
1 Defendants sought a stay pending appeal and administrative stay
from the district court pursuant to Federal Rule of Appellate Procedure 8,
which the court denied on November 6. See Minute Entry (Nov. 6, 2025).
requests either a stay or an administrative stay by no later than 4 PM
today


Bolded the juicy parts of their filing
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Nov 7 2025 01:29pm
Imagine thinking that the us government suddenly doesn't have any money.

Or that they cant do a single thing without approval. Oh to be so naive.
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Nov 7 2025 01:36pm
Imagine thinking that the us government suddenly doesn't have any money.

Or that they cant do a single thing without approval. Oh to be so naive.


lol you dont know how anything works. "shut down the government" means they dont borrow more money till a new scam is agreed upon
38 trillion in debt boi
https://usadebtclock.com/?adid=BP_TP_H

This post was edited by TiStuff on Nov 7 2025 01:36pm
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Nov 7 2025 08:54pm
anyway in completely predictable series of events

judge mcconnell denies appeals and demands Trump fund SNAP by 100% today, despite all the logistical impossibility and infringement of congressional powers and so on
supreme court issues emergency injunction and returns us to prior indefinite paused snap appeals

The lower judge's moronic ruling and forcing a scotus action also leaves in limbo whether SNAP will actually receive the 65% that is allocated from the emergency funds, which were already a dubious use without explicitly congressional authorization. The feds had already agreed to consume that whole rainy day fund and pay out the 65% it covered, but McConnell demanded they start eating into unrelated programs like the school lunch programs, which of course would just be taking food out of the mouths of children and giving them to SNAP recipients. That order was held up by scotus.
Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson issued the emergency stay, with a 48 hour time limit, so now we've still got 2 days to sort out this mess
Best case scenario, McConnell just delayed everyone's 65% SNAP benefits by 3+ days. Worst case scenario, he got the emergency funds back off-limits
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Nov 8 2025 01:33am
Its really sad to see this going down how it is
This is just an attempt to get people to start rioting so dummy can tell the guard to start shooting people

Nothing more and nothing less

Meanwhile Hegseth is purging non loyalists and trying to eliminate "Bureaucracy" at the department of war to make it easier for dummy to snap his fingers so people get shot
Not to mention the really obvious egging of Venezuela to get them to retaliate so a war can be started with a perceived communist state
Start a war, stop riots at home by shooting people
Easy recipe for martial law.
Then again this is outlined in P2025 which the current admin still denies to this day even though they have been following the same blueprint

shrugs
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Nov 8 2025 06:51am
anyway in completely predictable series of events

judge mcconnell denies appeals and demands Trump fund SNAP by 100% today, despite all the logistical impossibility and infringement of congressional powers and so on
supreme court issues emergency injunction and returns us to prior indefinite paused snap appeals

The lower judge's moronic ruling and forcing a scotus action also leaves in limbo whether SNAP will actually receive the 65% that is allocated from the emergency funds, which were already a dubious use without explicitly congressional authorization. The feds had already agreed to consume that whole rainy day fund and pay out the 65% it covered, but McConnell demanded they start eating into unrelated programs like the school lunch programs, which of course would just be taking food out of the mouths of children and giving them to SNAP recipients. That order was held up by scotus.
Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson issued the emergency stay, with a 48 hour time limit, so now we've still got 2 days to sort out this mess
Best case scenario, McConnell just delayed everyone's 65% SNAP benefits by 3+ days. Worst case scenario, he got the emergency funds back off-limits


Why doesn't the judge Demand the legislature fix the problem that stems from their scoped duties? Not like Trump has veteos anything
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Nov 8 2025 06:53am
Its really sad to see this going down how it is
This is just an attempt to get people to start rioting so dummy can tell the guard to start shooting people

Nothing more and nothing less

Meanwhile Hegseth is purging non loyalists and trying to eliminate "Bureaucracy" at the department of war to make it easier for dummy to snap his fingers so people get shot
Not to mention the really obvious egging of Venezuela to get them to retaliate so a war can be started with a perceived communist state
Start a war, stop riots at home by shooting people
Easy recipe for martial law.
Then again this is outlined in P2025 which the current admin still denies to this day even though they have been following the same blueprint

shrugs


Military works better when people follow orders. Not things like feeding strategy to CCP. It's been past due, the recruitment numbers where historically low prior even without COVID influence. At the end of the day, need a military, not a diversity camp party

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Nov 8 2025 07:14am
Why doesn't the judge Demand the legislature fix the problem that stems from their scoped duties? Not like Trump has veteos anything


The judge has the exact same power to petition congress that I have, one vote. Its not the judiciary's role to legislate
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