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Oct 11 2025 08:39am
Literally go look at all current evidence. The vast majority of democratic politicians are saying they don’t support this position these days.


That was the position of Kamala Harris in the 2024 election.
It is the same as the bill she personally sponsored.
Its the same position held by democratic leadership today, whoever the hell that is.
Whos most likely for 2028, Gavin Newsom? He actually did this as the state policy, last year:

>Jan 8, 2024
>On Monday, California became the first state in the nation to offer health insurance to all eligible undocumented immigrants. Beginning January 1, immigrants of all ages will be eligible for the state’s health insurance program for low-income people, known as Medi-Cal.

Seriously what does it take for you to admit it? The scotsman has a birth certificate from edinburgh, a public notary and five family members and a police officer all attesting to his true scotsmanship, and here you are saying he's no true scotsman.
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Oct 11 2025 08:42am
That was the position of Kamala Harris in the 2024 election.
It is the same as the bill she personally sponsored.
Its the same position held by democratic leadership today, whoever the hell that is.
Whos most likely for 2028, Gavin Newsom? He actually did this as the state policy, last year:

>Jan 8, 2024
>On Monday, California became the first state in the nation to offer health insurance to all eligible undocumented immigrants. Beginning January 1, immigrants of all ages will be eligible for the state’s health insurance program for low-income people, known as Medi-Cal.

Seriously what does it take for you to admit it? The scotsman has a birth certificate from edinburgh, a public notary and five family members and a police officer all attesting to his true scotsmanship, and here you are saying he's no true scotsman.


https://kffhealthnews.org/news/article/fact-check-gop-trump-charge-kamala-harris-immigrant-health-care/#:~:text=News%20&%20PolitiFact%20HealthCheck-,GOP%20Charge%20That%20Harris%20Backed%20Taxpayer%2DFunded%20Care%20for%20All,can%20be%20republished%20for%20free.
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Oct 11 2025 08:52am


1) that's politifact, its literally a democrat propaganda website designed to launder disinformation by creating false "fact checks", like this one
2) they are entirely quibbling over whether that healthcare is "free"
>But that doesn’t mean Harris specifically said she supported taxpayer funding for the benefits or that the health coverage would be free.
All her program proposals are taxpayer subsidized, using the ACA risk corridor and tax break template which is what congress is shutting down about right now
Healthcare provided under every such state/federal program including the ones she proposed and voted for, is free for poor people who receive full benefits but pay nothing into it.
Their entire argument is that illegal aliens who are rich enough would have to pay into healthcare just like the rest of us and politifact tried to use that as an excuse to completely invert the facts of Kamala's policy, despite that it obviously doesn't apply to the vast majority of illegal aliens crossing the border to exploit our social services. Which is why such a system is completely unsustainable. The issue we raised like 3 pages back before you tried to degenerate this argument with "NO U"s

Again, that's Kamala's formal policy platform, as recently as the 2024 election. She supported putting illegal aliens on her medicare-for-all proposal, which would give free healthcare to them as soon as they cross the border.
That's how it works.
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Oct 11 2025 08:56am
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The issue we raised like 3 pages back before you tried to degenerate this argument with "NO U"s


No the issue I’ve continued to harp on is that there is too much dishonesty in our political discourse. Look I get that’s how the parties play the game (BOTH parties). Doesn’t mean it’s right or that I like it. We should be able to have discussions with those with disagree with in an honest fashion.
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Oct 11 2025 09:02am
No the issue I’ve continued to harp on is that there is too much dishonesty in our political discourse. Look I get that’s how the parties play the game (BOTH parties). Doesn’t mean it’s right or that I like it. We should be able to have discussions with those with disagree with in an honest fashion.


Most people just wanna argue they are not willing to look for middle ground or actually make things better. Many think the opposition are evil and they are justified in thinking this way.
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Oct 11 2025 09:05am
Most people just wanna argue they are not willing to look for middle ground or actually make things better. Many think the opposition are evil and they are justified in thinking this way.


Sadly this is true and continues to worsen.
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Oct 11 2025 09:12am
No the issue I’ve continued to harp on is that there is too much dishonesty in our political discourse. Look I get that’s how the parties play the game (BOTH parties). Doesn’t mean it’s right or that I like it. We should be able to have discussions with those with disagree with in an honest fashion.


Sounds like the dishonesty in our discourse is on display right here. Democrats not only endorse putting illegal aliens on taxpayer subsidized, premium funded healthcare systems that give them benefits for free, they've already created those programs in the states they run. And it was the formal position of every single democrat who ran for president in the last primary we held. Yet here you are, denying it
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Oct 11 2025 11:11am
Sadly this is true and continues to worsen.


hes not wrong, what do you say to it?
Sounds like the dishonesty in our discourse is on display right here. Democrats not only endorse putting illegal aliens on taxpayer subsidized, premium funded healthcare systems that give them benefits for free, they've already created those programs in the states they run. And it was the formal position of every single democrat who ran for president in the last primary we held. Yet here you are, denying it


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Oct 11 2025 11:21am
in the end policies are not what comes out of a persons mouth but what their actions are.
the policy(s) of the left are not that hard to recognize as we witnessed them for the past 8 years.
it sums up. if you dont do exactly as we say you will be endlessly harassed
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Oct 11 2025 11:30am
hes not wrong, what do you say to it?


Nothing that hasn’t been said. I think we’ve both made our points or at least arguments. It also goes well beyond this thread for my disagreements with how goom presents things. But at this point maybe I’m just becoming what I dislike and villainizing folks. I quit responding because the bickering wasn’t advancing anything… but I guess here I am back.
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