Twitter reaction is that Harris won clearly and Trump melted down.

I watched it without looking at any commentary besides this forum, which is heavily weighted towards Trump supporters and against Harris.

I thought she definitely won, but I don't know how much it matters. Trump looked like a complete idiot as we got further into the debate but that's who the guy is and I think voters know that. Maybe a reminder is good for Kamala?

Definitely a good debate for Kamala though. If she did bad the election's probably over, she did well so we're still in this thing.

Edit - Also I think there's some clippable moments from Trump that will be useful for Kamala's team to post on tiktok and such. He said some weird shit. He's the old guy who believes everything he sees from right-wing Facebook accounts.

This post was edited by IceMage on Sep 11 2024 05:32am

Neither seemed to do well, but the debate setup seemed awkward at times with the moderators cross questioning Trump on behalf of Kamala, but not doing similar cross questioning with Kamala. Kamala's responses seemed very coached, rehearsed, even down to the body language play. Trump seemed to do well initially, but got baited way to easily by nonsense tangents. Also, Trump was allowed to ramble for considerably more minutes, which did not serve him well. Going to see those psycho babbles everywhere now.


Overall, I think it was a poor showing for both. I don't think it's lost on the average viewer the weird 3-1 debate setup. And for every policy answer Trump had, Kamala didn't have much substance just pledges and criticisms, and WAR

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Sep 11 2024 05:34am

Honestly I think people, including myself, aren't able to view Trump with the appropriate level of detachment.

If we isolate every crazy/weird thing he said, and say that another Republican presidential candidate said those things in one debate, it would be campaign ending. But people know he's such a weird nut that it's already priced in, which is why I don't know how much the debate matters.

It is fun to re-watch some clips and watch how easily Kamala baited Trump again and again.

This post was edited by IceMage on Sep 11 2024 05:38am

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/11/us/politics/undecided-voters-react-debate.html

If Trump melted down we'd be seeing clips of Trump melting down on repeat. Both candidates failed at providing a clippable moment to shine, and neither pratfalled into a losing moment either.
Again I don't think a tie really favors Kamala. Even if that outperforms expectations and the mariana-trench low bar, even if this is far worse than Trump's usual showing
If Kamala is going to win the pseudoincumbent ticket in a year where the administration is about as favorable as a syphilis diagnosis, she needs more than a tie.
As per the NYT, she definitely failed at divorcing herself from Biden. That's a pretty necessary hurdle

I can't read the link, I'm not subscribed to fake news.

Trump definitely provided some clippable moments. I've seen a few this morning on CNN... him talking about immigrants eating dogs and Kamala laughing at him is one example. It's a hilarious clip. I suppose you saw that moment and nodded along in agreement with him, but for a lot of voters, that shit is weird.

You have a heart of stone if you don't laugh at this.

Kamala's reaction is perfect.

This post was edited by IceMage on Sep 11 2024 05:51am

Getting people talking about Springfield Ohio is not a winning strategy for Kamala. Same as the bit about Trump attending a service for 13 servicemen killed in the Afghanistan withdrawal.
You focus a lot on the superficial aspect, but look to the strategic impact instead. Is anyone going to care about whether Trump or Kamala are technically right or wrong about a factual point? Haitians didn't actually eat cats, they ate geese? Trump didn't actually call Nazis very fine people and Kamala knows it? Who cares, they can both repeat it without it moving the dial a single bit because even the people who pretend to care about character and integrity (you) just completely ignore when the candidate you're supporting relentlessly lies through her teeth or spreads purposeful hateful disinformation. That goes for folks on both sides.
But when they get the topic of the conversation where they want it, when the oxygen in the room is being consumed by the topic that favors their side, its only helping them.

If Kamala could have gotten more of it devoted to the January 6th riots, the better for her. Reacting to Trump's line about Haitians in Springfield Ohio is her taking the bait. Now Trump can run ads about how 5% of the entire population of Haiti is living illegally inside the US already

Yeah I don't agree. I think a lot of undecided voters look at that clip and agree with my perspective. It'll be going around on tiktok and other platforms, along with Taylor Swift's endorsement of Kamala. The sort of people who believe the Haitians eating dogs story are already voting for Trump.

Let's pull back the lens... if Trump even got close to winning this thing, you would've said he won it. But you're not saying that, so we're clearly in agreement that he did not win this debate.

Yeah and last debate I said Biden really didn't do that bad overall and the media was overreacting to his body language.
I know what you'll post before you post it but this really doesn't go both ways

Well that's because my reaction is based on reality and aligns with the perception of most voters, lol.