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Nov 4 2023 10:29am
Quote (fender @ 4 Nov 2023 06:22)
mate, if you're actually an expert, you know that after going out like that you do NOT fully regain your bearings after just a few seconds. hell, i bet even most mma fans are aware of that without even having trained themselves. you also know that you can keep someone in a hold (video shows he basically had full back control for his rear naked choke) without applying the pressure required to interrupt blood flow to the brain - and just tighten the choke back up should they get rowdy again. in addition to that, there were two more grown man standing over the guy, restricting his arms, so the suggestion that he'd suddenly wake up and overpower all three of them is pretty absurd, especially considering he clearly was an untrained scrawn who wasn't wielding a weapon of anything...


Ever see a homeless dude fight 5 cops while on PCP???? Guess not.

When my friend was a cop in Washington DC in a very "bad" area that exact situation played out. My friend and 4 cops fully armed with tasers/pistol were getting tossed around like rag dolls. He was never more scared for his life(his words not mine). Tasers did nothing. 3 of them trying to hold him down was next to impossible. Said the guy wasn't even that "built" so it wasn't like they were trying to restrain a guy who was "jacked out of his mind". He was just on PCP...

& your wrong about how it's so easy to just let go of pressure and still keep him restrained in a chokehold. ever been in a fight? Guess not

Another story of my friend now a detective in Illinois was him being with a confidential informant trying to make a large drug deal and pinch his dealer and the informant got out of the car and ran. His other officers were older and out of shape so he had to run him down. Up until that point my friend said the guy was "pretty cool" and just trying to "get out of some charges". Guy as he was tackled to the ground took out a "rusty shiv" and stabbed my friend near his wrist/forearm. When the other officers finally caught up he went to the hospital to get patched up and get a tetanus shot.

Moral of the story. You never know who the fuck you are dealing with. In that situation the marine did exactly what he was trained to do. Neutralize the situation. Defending the guy "after the incident occurred" which is what SJW's did after seeing the video is the dumbest thing ever. That's what they do though. There's no video of this violent deranged individual prior to things getting out of hand so of course it looks terrible. Luckily there were INNOCENT bystanders there to confirm he was just defending people(right thing to do) after someone starts saying "Someones going to die today" etc. etc.
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Nov 4 2023 11:51am
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Ever see a homeless dude fight 5 cops while on PCP???? Guess not.

When my friend was a cop in Washington DC in a very "bad" area that exact situation played out. My friend and 4 cops fully armed with tasers/pistol were getting tossed around like rag dolls. He was never more scared for his life(his words not mine). Tasers did nothing. 3 of them trying to hold him down was next to impossible. Said the guy wasn't even that "built" so it wasn't like they were trying to restrain a guy who was "jacked out of his mind". He was just on PCP...

& your wrong about how it's so easy to just let go of pressure and still keep him restrained in a chokehold. ever been in a fight? Guess not

Another story of my friend now a detective in Illinois was him being with a confidential informant trying to make a large drug deal and pinch his dealer and the informant got out of the car and ran. His other officers were older and out of shape so he had to run him down. Up until that point my friend said the guy was "pretty cool" and just trying to "get out of some charges". Guy as he was tackled to the ground took out a "rusty shiv" and stabbed my friend near his wrist/forearm. When the other officers finally caught up he went to the hospital to get patched up and get a tetanus shot.

Moral of the story. You never know who the fuck you are dealing with. In that situation the marine did exactly what he was trained to do. Neutralize the situation. Defending the guy "after the incident occurred" which is what SJW's did after seeing the video is the dumbest thing ever. That's what they do though. There's no video of this violent deranged individual prior to things getting out of hand so of course it looks terrible. Luckily there were INNOCENT bystanders there to confirm he was just defending people(right thing to do) after someone starts saying "Someones going to die today" etc. etc.


have any more irrelevant, made up stories, that have absolutely no relevance for this one?

you've seen the video, this was not some hulk on pcp brandishing a rusty shiv, but a mentally unwell scrawn who was easily subdued and choked unconscious by an amateur grappler - who also got the help of two men completely restraining the dude. if you knew the first thing about submissions, you'd be aware that you have to apply a certain amount of force to choke someone out, just hugging them from behind doesn't do the trick - and you don't have to be an expert to loosen the hold once their body goes limp. of course it's easier to make sure they recover if you let go completely - but i was replying to someone who suggested that, despite the fact that three men were around watching over the guy, a woman was casually filming the scene, and no kids or elderly were still around to be "in danger", that even if you wanted to maintain close control over him, that would have been possible. again, the people trying to make that sound like rocket science clearly have no clue what they are talking about.
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Nov 4 2023 01:57pm
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have any more irrelevant, made up stories, that have absolutely no relevance for this one?

you've seen the video, this was not some hulk on pcp brandishing a rusty shiv, but a mentally unwell scrawn who was easily subdued and choked unconscious by an amateur grappler - who also got the help of two men completely restraining the dude. if you knew the first thing about submissions, you'd be aware that you have to apply a certain amount of force to choke someone out, just hugging them from behind doesn't do the trick - and you don't have to be an expert to loosen the hold once their body goes limp. of course it's easier to make sure they recover if you let go completely - but i was replying to someone who suggested that, despite the fact that three men were around watching over the guy, a woman was casually filming the scene, and no kids or elderly were still around to be "in danger", that even if you wanted to maintain close control over him, that would have been possible. again, the people trying to make that sound like rocket science clearly have no clue what they are talking about.


u mad bro?

can't imagine you in that situation with the camera lmao

"Hey you better loosen that chokehold I have you on camera!"

"I know he said he's going to kill us but hey when the internet sees this I wanna be on the right side!"

Sorry bud. Please tell me where you live so I could laugh at how much LESS DANGEROUS your public transit system is.

This is an everyday occurrence in Chicago/New York but the laws allow these deranged people to get away with THREATENING DEATH/HARM/etc. on a daily basis. Spit on you. Shove you. Threaten to kill you.

I would pay you to go on the Chicago red-line every day for a week as if you were a "regular commuter". After the 3rd day you'd never take public transit again. Can't fix a broken system enabled by democratic leadership that gives, "Get out of jail free cards" and emboldens criminals.

You want to know how Chicago got the nickname "Chiraq"?

This post was edited by SwamiVivekananda on Nov 4 2023 01:57pm
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Nov 4 2023 02:01pm
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u mad bro?

can't imagine you in that situation with the camera lmao

"Hey you better loosen that chokehold I have you on camera!"

"I know he said he's going to kill us but hey when the internet sees this I wanna be on the right side!"

Sorry bud. Please tell me where you live so I could laugh at how much LESS DANGEROUS your public transit system is.

This is an everyday occurrence in Chicago/New York but the laws allow these deranged people to get away with THREATENING DEATH/HARM/etc. on a daily basis. Spit on you. Shove you. Threaten to kill you.

I would pay you to go on the Chicago red-line every day for a week as if you were a "regular commuter". After the 3rd day you'd never take public transit again. Can't fix a broken system enabled by democratic leadership that gives, "Get out of jail free cards" and emboldens criminals.

You want to know how Chicago got the nickname "Chiraq"?


when i asked if you had any more irrelevant stories i was being sarcastic, it wasn't a challenge... xD
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Nov 4 2023 02:15pm
Quote (fender @ 4 Nov 2023 15:01)
when i asked if you had any more irrelevant stories i was being sarcastic, it wasn't a challenge... xD


lmao won't accept my challenge I guess? :rofl:

lmao won't answer where your from because you probably live in an area that has virtually no crime.. :bonk:

hey you are the expert martial arts instructor and run the foundation, "If they threaten to kill you it's all good just keep quiet maybe they won't kill you and kill someone else down the road instead"

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Nov 4 2023 07:41pm
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have any more irrelevant, made up stories, that have absolutely no relevance for this one?

you've seen the video, this was not some hulk on pcp brandishing a rusty shiv, but a mentally unwell scrawn who was easily subdued and choked unconscious by an amateur grappler - who also got the help of two men completely restraining the dude. if you knew the first thing about submissions, you'd be aware that you have to apply a certain amount of force to choke someone out, just hugging them from behind doesn't do the trick - and you don't have to be an expert to loosen the hold once their body goes limp. of course it's easier to make sure they recover if you let go completely - but i was replying to someone who suggested that, despite the fact that three men were around watching over the guy, a woman was casually filming the scene, and no kids or elderly were still around to be "in danger", that even if you wanted to maintain close control over him, that would have been possible. again, the people trying to make that sound like rocket science clearly have no clue what they are talking about.


Your take comes from a german mindset, in america being scrawny doesn't mean anything because every man and his dog has a gun, some times the dog even shoots the man.
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Nov 4 2023 07:49pm
Quote (fender @ Nov 4 2023 01:01pm)
when i asked if you had any more irrelevant stories i was being sarcastic, it wasn't a challenge... xD


He isn't telling you a story. He is telling you real-world, first-hand, lived experience of someone who is a police officer. Do you have any training in how to restrain people? Have you actually tried to subdue someone? Until you do, I think I will take the word of a police officer.

This post was edited by JessiWan on Nov 4 2023 07:51pm
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