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#161
Jul 20 2023 01:06pm
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Men have different parts that are attractive which have been highlighted forever. Tanks and t's (t's that cut off mid or above bicep) have been popular forever.

We have litterly been doing the same thing in public or clubs since I've been of age going out.

You're just highlighting the areas that are attractive to the opposite sex.

Yeah you can't work your cock to flex it so sure that's not the area highlighted but that's not really the area females are looking at anyways so you highlight the ones they are just like they highlight their ass and tits.

I don't think the Instagram crap is good for either sex making yourself worth tied to likes and attention, but I'm not going to pretend flaunting body parts worked in the gym is any different than what we have been doing since the gym rise in the late 70s. For that matter men can just roll shirtless and talk to most females I'd say they're going to say the chest is an attractive body part. You can flaunt it off with no covering.

There's most certainly a double standard applied to females it's just becoming less so.



You're mis-representing the equivalence. Dudes that lift do so for personal goals and many get praised from other dudes (complimenting your strength or how shredded you are). In contrast women do it nowadays and are sporting ever skimpier gym outfits because it's visually appealing to men, we know it, they know, Stevie Wonder knows it.

The motivations are inherently different for the most part. Out of all of the women I dated vast majority don't give a fuck if you can deadlift 120lbs or 500lbs or don't care that you're massive. Sure, most women want a somewhat fit guy, but as long as you don't look like a slob and have other appealing qualities (funny, money, caring, bad boy, whatever) that will be way more of an appeal compared to how much you can deadlift or how much bulk you put on.

Point is, we're visual and that's why it's so in nowadays for chicks to workout the parts we want and most notice.

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Jul 20 2023 01:10pm
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You're mis-representing the equivalence. Dudes that lift do so for personal goals and many get praised from other dudes (complimenting your strength or how shredded you are). In contrast women do it nowadays and are sporting ever skimpier gym outfits because it's visually appealing to men, we know it, they know, Stevie Wonder knows it.

The motivations are inherently different for the most part. Out of all of the women I dated vast majority don't give a fuck if you can deadlift 120lbs or 500lbs or don't care that you're massive. Sure, most women want a somewhat fit guy, but as long as you don't look like a slob and have other appealing qualities (funny, money, caring, bad boy, whatever) that will be way more of an appeal compared to how much you can deadlift or how much bulk you put on.

Point is, we're visual and that's why it's so in nowadays for chick to workout the parts we want.


I think you're watching way too many reject modernity youtube videos if you think men are not self-interested and in it to fuck chicks. That is straight up the reason, in university, the entire group of guys I hung out with went to the gym. Personal goals of fucking hot chicks.

Now I maintain a physique and strength both for myself but also for my wife and likewise expect my wife to put effort into being physically fit and look good since its a two way street.

Obviously as you age you move away and goals change but gym culture especially around your late teens, early 20s is about being attractive to fuck the opposite sex. If your maintain athleticism for university sports that's another thing, but typically yeilds similar results.

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Jul 20 2023 01:17pm
Quote (El1te @ Jul 20 2023 02:06pm)
This is stereotypical BS that usually comes from insecure overweight people


no, its the lived experience of an in shape person who actually talks with women that are 30+.

any woman under 25 isnt truly ready for a serious relationship, and thats the context im talking about. people ready to settle down and form a life with someone. those woman dont want to live 50 years with a mens fitness model, and they dont want a fat fat fatty either. they want someone who eats a normal diet, works out enough to stay in solid health and not die on them, and help take care of their kids.

insecure overweight people convince themselves woman want obese bears, im talking about guys who have ok physiques but no 8 pack.
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Jul 20 2023 01:25pm
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no, its the lived experience of an in shape person who actually talks with women that are 30+.

any woman under 25 isnt truly ready for a serious relationship, and thats the context im talking about. people ready to settle down and form a life with someone. those woman dont want to live 50 years with a mens fitness model, and they dont want a fat fat fatty either. they want someone who eats a normal diet, works out enough to stay in solid health and not die on them, and help take care of their kids.

insecure overweight people convince themselves woman want obese bears, im talking about guys who have ok physiques but no 8 pack.


I would agree if you are referring to people like Jo Lindler who died recently, hopped up on steroids and 5% bodyfat all year long, that's not healthy.

However all women love a very fit body, same with men. My girlfriend who is 5 years older than me in her 30s adores my muscles and makes that very well known to me - I've never done steroids but am a Men's Physique amateur who looks more like Alexander Skarsgard from Tarzan (this is pretty much peak body goals IMO).

I think in many cases women who are more insecure will be happier with someone who is not as fit - and that is okay. And personality compatibility etc. is certainly more important.
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Jul 20 2023 01:31pm
Quote (El1te @ Jul 20 2023 02:25pm)
I would agree if you are referring to people like Jo Lindler who died recently, hopped up on steroids and 5% bodyfat all year long, that's not healthy.

However all women love a very fit body, same with men. My girlfriend who is 5 years older than me in her 30s adores my muscles and makes that very well known to me - I've never done steroids but am a Men's Physique amateur who looks more like Alexander Skarsgard from Tarzan (this is pretty much peak body goals IMO).

I think in many cases women who are more insecure will be happier with someone who is not as fit - and that is okay. And personality compatibility etc. is certainly more important.


There's a pot for every lid. fitness obsessed people can find fitness obsessed people. i'm speaking broadly and especially once kids get involved. there's only so many days in a row a woman will handle all of the child rearing when she has a full time job before she stops caring about your body fat %. but then if the pendulum swings enough and u get porky she's concerned again. its all about balance.

and yes i was speaking about guys like Jo, dude prob spent a full time job's worth of hours on his body each week, good that was his job. if ur not getting paid tho many women will prefer attention and especially help with kids.
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Jul 20 2023 01:31pm
Quote (El1te @ Jul 20 2023 01:25pm)
I would agree if you are referring to people like Jo Lindler who died recently, hopped up on steroids and 5% bodyfat all year long, that's not healthy.

However all women love a very fit body, same with men. My girlfriend who is 5 years older than me in her 30s adores my muscles and makes that very well known to me - I've never done steroids but am a Men's Physique amateur who looks more like Alexander Skarsgard from Tarzan (this is pretty much peak body goals IMO).

I think in many cases women who are more insecure will be happier with someone who is not as fit - and that is okay. And personality compatibility etc. is certainly more important.


I would say that after being with the wife for a long time goals did shift. Once clearly together, I definitely ditched the full physique mindset and went into powerlifting but still did additional accessory exercises to maintain a pretty good physique purely for my partner. Now were 10 years in and i'd say i've gone from mostly strength based training to just all-rounding, make sure I am strong have a decent physique but also make sure I clock a few 10ks here or there, stretch more, all the good stuff that comes with that wall you hit in your 30s when you realize your body does not recover like you're 23 anymore.

I always wanted a 3.5X body weight deadlift, 3x squat and 2x bench as a natty lifter @ 200 lbs but not sure ill make it there anymore. Bench is definitely out the window, deadlift is close and squat i've diverted to doing more front squats as I age to remove spine loading so that's probably dead now. 30s fucking suck for gym but are awesome for life.

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Jul 20 2023 01:50pm
Quote (El1te @ Jul 20 2023 03:25pm)
I would agree if you are referring to people like Jo Lindler who died recently, hopped up on steroids and 5% bodyfat all year long, that's not healthy.

However all women love a very fit body, same with men. My girlfriend who is 5 years older than me in her 30s adores my muscles and makes that very well known to me - I've never done steroids but am a Men's Physique amateur who looks more like Alexander Skarsgard from Tarzan (this is pretty much peak body goals IMO).

I think in many cases women who are more insecure will be happier with someone who is not as fit - and that is okay. And personality compatibility etc. is certainly more important.


Think you suffer from some form of bias here, given that you are fit and your gf values that.

Vast majority of women I've asked about this value extreme fitness levels very little, but then again I never dated gym/fitness obsessed chicks and I'm older now and married. Being in my 30s now, I can safely say for most of the dating pool a funny guy with a good personality with a mediocre body (not fat but not ripped) will run laps around a gym bro that spends 15 hours a week at the gym but doesn't have those qualities. Like it's not even close.

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Jul 20 2023 01:55pm
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Think you suffer from some form of bias here, given that you are fit and your gf values that.

Vast majority of women I've asked about this value extreme fitness levels very little, but then again I never dated gym/fitness obsessed chicks and I'm older now and married. Being in my 30s now, I can safely say for most of the dating pool a funny guy with a good personality with a mediocre body (not fat but not ripped) will run laps around a gym bro that spends 15 hours a week at the gym but doesn't have those qualities. Like it's not even close.


100%, that's what i was getting at. women's values (and men's too) tend to shift a LOT once kids come into the equation. body preferences stop mattering when you're sleep deprived because you do all the shit with the kids. and many women tend to have their turn ons shift, from ripped muscles to seeing a man take care of their kids or fix stuff around the house.
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Jul 20 2023 02:01pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Jul 20 2023 01:50pm)
Think you suffer from some form of bias here, given that you are fit and your gf values that.

Vast majority of women I've asked about this value extreme fitness levels very little, but then again I never dated gym/fitness obsessed chicks and I'm older now and married. Being in my 30s now, I can safely say for most of the dating pool a funny guy with a good personality with a mediocre body (not fat but not ripped) will run laps around a gym bro that spends 15 hours a week at the gym but doesn't have those qualities. Like it's not even close.


But that's your 30s. Values do shift then and I think they shift for both sexes.

That is not reality when you're late teens, early 20s, especially university. You learn as you go. You move away from bar nights to spending quality time with an individual. You may still have a shared interest in fitness though that you both value and that could be physique training since its a shared hobby but that becomes vastly more niche in your 30s.

Men are equally self-interested in their early 20s as the Instagram chicks you mentioned, though. Both self-serving doing it for attracting the opposite sex.

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Jul 20 2023 02:09pm
Quote (SBD @ Jul 20 2023 08:49pm)
No I do weighted pull ups as my primary but lats are heavily used on pressing movements and will develop as a result. Also people who do a lot of chest are typically rowing and doing lat pull downs since its essentially a reverse bench press.


Yes, pullups for lats and biceps, pressing movements for chest and shoulder.Two different kind of movements. They complement each other. Pullups are also my go to exercise. I also do inverted rows for horizontal movement (I don't like taxing my lower back more than necessary). Point is your chest looks bigger and more pronounced if you have strong lats. That's what I meant, there is no need to train chest so much. Most people concentrate on bench press and bicep curls 90% of their time. I care about my single leg Romanian deadlifts and front squats much more than other exercises because upper body is weak compared to lower limbs. We're no apes.

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