i know reading comprehension isn't exactly your strong suit, but i really hoped highlighting the question and keeping it simple might help you... well, maybe that was a little optimistic. i should try colours:

- WHY do you think ukraine wanted to join NATO? what was their concern?

Ukraine decided that their future is in the EU, Zelensky has publicly stated that multiple times, that's why they want to join the EU and NATO

Doesn't change the fact that Russia is their neighbor, doesn't change the fact that Russia is so concerned that they took a big risk to take Crimea back by force and later invaded Ukraine.

You got cornered so what ? You keep doing off-topic personal attacks on France because you know Im French.
We all know nothing is worse than Djunioristan. You simply can't defend Russia or Putin:

(quoting myself from other topic:)

You are completely ignoring the whole background activity of russian secret services over the whole period.
They were aware of the incoming changes since a while and were preventing it since at least... lets take a significant event: Viktor Yushchenko poisoning in 2004:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yushchenko

Close language makes things even easier activity: This is not "spying" this is active disruption since early 2000s with ALOT of personal.

Fsb & related has long term plans/programs soviet style, and regarding ukraine it's about decades of experience in the area, guys with a full career over it.
They identified the incoming fall and were trying to prevent it since a very long time Imho.


Good luck !

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Apr 2 2023 02:29pm

@Bolded:

You torpedoed your own argument right there, lol

You literally admit that there were incoming changes that they should be worried about and guess what, that's because of the ongoing rounds of NATO expansion that I've pointed out so often.

This is hilarious, bookmarking this for future reference

It was from Ukrainian population itself: Viktor Yushchenko poisoning in 2004:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yushchenko

You just smashed yourself AGAIN by thinking you "found a flaw". Unfortunately your argumentation will never recover from that.

Now you can deflect on nazi, on france, etc that's the best you can do since you can't accept to be wrong.

You are a genius, political scientists, journalists and historians are lining up to have you educate them on how things really are

This post was edited by Neptunus on Apr 2 2023 02:47pm

I literally slammed you every single post. Deal with it.

i'm talking specifically about NATO here. WHY did ukraine want to join NATO, a military pact, in your opinion? what is the reason? do you think they wanted PROTECTION from russia, or do you think they were looking for allies to ATTACK russia? make an educated guess...

Bullshit

You should come to terms with reality, Russia and China are here to stay, they don't go away whether you like it or not.

The only logical solution (and best solution for both sides) is to accept that and find ways to coexist and benefit from trade instead of woke "progressives" claiming that Putin must be removed from office and Russia humiliated which is just nonsense and shows how far gone these "progressives" really are.