I deliberately wrote "pro-Israel voices in the West", rather than "all pro-Israel voices". The radicalism of the Israelis in this thread isn't lost on me.
Political control over infertile, uninhabitated swaths of desert doesn't matter much, but greatly influences the visual appearance on the maps you posted.
It's a crime to grab land in (nominal...) peace times while the rule of law applies. During wars, legality and all that kind of stuff is out of the window. If you wage a war of aggression on your neighbor, particularly when its fought with genocidal intent, but then get your shit kicked in, it's only fair to lose territory. That's how it has always been handled throughout human history. And it's what happened to the Palestinians and their Arab allies in both 1948 and 1967.
If you had land, that was barren, and the next day that land belonged to someone else, would you care? I see your argument of right of conquest, but the West Bank was not involved re: Oct 7th. so let me get a cup of hot chocolate sothat I can read your spin on this one. Also, can I just ask, what is your overarching rationale here. Why are you trying to explain this? Is it your view that its the Palestinians fault? What is your core belief in supporting all this?
For my part, the Jewish religion was shafted by The West and by the Germans in WW2, they were shipped off to Palestine, Israel if you will, they made a home, kicked the people that had welcomed them to the curb, commited various acts of ethnic cleansing and continue to do that to this day. What am I missing? Yes the indigenous population carried out terrorist attacks, nothing new to history, nothing special there. What makes it that you have to explain away things like ethnic cleansing, theft, murder and collective punishment?
I can readily admit the religion has got a raw deal from everyone, this is not hard. likewise I can agree with bombing Gaza after Oct 7th. but for 2 years? and a stated kill ration of 50:1? i can agree with bombing Iran, again no problem, FAFO, but bombing Qatar? during negotiations? Israel has done so many things that are simply not helpful - for Israel.
I will say it again if you want to punish someone, do it. be done with it, but dont torture them for 70 years.
This post was edited by ferdia on Feb 11 2026 11:50am