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Apr 21 2018 12:25am
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Nope, google map 2200 block of South Christian Hills Drive.




I did. It's simple. Further, they got no hills in Michigan. I lived there for a year and a half. I remember in the winter, every place you went into would be bragging about Michigan's wondrous 300 ft. ski slope.

I don't know how people live their lives these days, but we had rules, for all contingencies.
Who to call if we needed a ride. Who to contact if we needed various other kinds of help, etc.

I also remember that when I was 14, if I would've tried any story so full of crap, I would been disowned.
It was like 5-7 miles to our HS. Like 4 roads to remember. And that's in the Pittsburgh area, which is all hills and curvy streets and woods.

You folks wanna be suckers for a sob story, go for it.
Butr don't accuse me of racism, for not believing that pile of BS.
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Apr 21 2018 12:31am
Was the guy who shot at him racist?
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I did. It's simple. Further, they got no hills in Michigan. I lived there for a year and a half. I remember in the winter, every place you went into would be bragging about Michigan's wondrous 300 ft. ski slope.

I don't know how people live their lives these days, but we had rules, for all contingencies.
Who to call if we needed a ride. Who to contact if we needed various other kinds of help, etc.

I also remember that when I was 14, if I would've tried any story so full of crap, I would been disowned.
It was like 5-7 miles to our HS. Like 4 roads to remember. And that's in the Pittsburgh area, which is all hills and curvy streets and woods.

You folks wanna be suckers for a sob story, go for it.
But don't accuse me of racism, for not believing that pile of BS.
You realise not every one has your sense of direction right and that you are one person and there is 6 billion more who are not identical carbon copies of you?

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Was the guy who shot at him racist?




Probably, Michigan is pretty bad about that.
Or he was just scared coz the woman was flipping out. I don't know. I wasn't there.

But I saw enough kkk crap written in the stalls in the men's rooms in bars, to believe the state was a little weird in that area.
Was kind of a weird state all around. The Upper peninsula was even weirder.

But there were also nice parts and not so nice parts, just like anywhere I guess.



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Quote (Plaguefear @ Apr 21 2018 02:34am)
You realise not every one has your sense of direction right and that you are one person and there is 6 billion more who are not identical carbon copies of you?


Duh. The kids story is so full of holes, no one would buy it. Well, I used to think no one would buy it.
That doesn't justify what the homeowner did...at least from what we know from the article(s).
But that doesn't mean I'm gonna shut down the part of my brain that says...yeah right, OK kid I believe everything you say.

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Apr 21 2018 12:46am
Basing your judgement on some anecdotal story about a place you visited once and some graffiti on a wall instead of the circumstances of the actual event in question. :wacko:
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Was the guy who shot at him racist?


who knows. i'd like to hear from him and ask him what happened and what he was thinking and why he thought it was justified, instead of running with one persons race-victim narrative.
If his wife is really upset and he mistook it as a threat i could see how this might happen without him being some klan member.

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"There's a lot more to the story than what's being told and I believe that will come out in court," Zeigler told Judge Julie Nicholson via video link from the county jail Friday, the AP reports. "I was in bed yesterday morning and my wife came screaming and crying. ..."

The judge then interrupted and stopped Zeigler from talking.


Asking directions or pretending to sell something is a common tactic by criminals casing a house.
Do you know what the crime rate is in Detroit? I don't blame anyone for being wary of unexpected visitors and perceived intruders.

Nor is it necessarily assured that the kid was polite and non-confrontational. In the Starbucks case they were clearly being rude and disruptive and i don't blame the manager for kicking them out.
In this case i'm more inclined to believe that he actually was just trying to get directions and there was some sort of misunderstanding. Or perhaps he does just hate black people or lost his temper. who knows. the evidence isn't clear at this point.
just race-baiting coverage and a jump to conclusions mat based off the fact that one guy was black and the other white.

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Basing your judgement on some anecdotal story about a place you visited once and some graffiti on a wall instead of the circumstances of the actual event in question. :wacko:




I LIVED in Grand Rapids, MI for a year and a half. That's not exactly JUST a visit. :/

And Kudos to Cam for bringing some realism to this discussion.
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Apr 21 2018 12:50am
Quote (cambovenzi @ Apr 21 2018 12:46am)
who knows. i'd like to hear from him and ask him what happened and what he was thinking and why he thought it was justified, instead of running with one persons race-victim narrative.
If his wife is really upset and he mistook it was a threat i could see how this might happen without him being some klan member.



Asking directions or pretending to sell something is a common tactic by criminals casing a house.
Do you know what the crime rate is in Detroit? I don't blame anyone for being wary of unexpected visitors and perceived intruders.

Nor is it necessarily assured that the kid was polite and non-confrontational. In the Starbucks case they were clearly being rude and disruptive and i don't blame the manager for kicking them out.
In this case i'm more inclined to believe that he actually was just trying to get directions and there was some sort of misunderstanding. Or perhaps he does just hate black people or lost his temper. who knows. the evidence isn't clear at this point.
just race hustling coverage and a jump to conclusions mat based off the fact that one guy was black and the other white.



The encounter was caught on the homes security camera and after viewing it police found no reason to doubt the kids story and much reason to not believe the man discharged his weapon accidentally while falling down as he initially claimed.
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The encounter was caught on the homes security camera and after viewing it police found no reason to doubt the kids story and much reason to not believe the man discharged his weapon accidentally while falling down as he initially claimed.




Yeah, the original article called it the door bell camera or some shyt.

I still don't believe the kids story about how he ended up at their door. I do believe what the cops said happened after the kid arrived there.


/e Yeah, the guy probably lied about that too. Just like the kid lied about how he got there. News flash: People lie.

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Quote (remco6 @ Apr 21 2018 02:50am)
The encounter was caught on the homes security camera and after viewing it police found no reason to doubt the kids story and much reason to not believe the man discharged his weapon accidentally while falling down as he initially claimed.


That was a prosecutor who said that and I wouldn't trust either of them to tell me what day of the week of it is.

Regardless, The fact that the kid came to the door and the fact that the man fired a shot is not contested. It doesn't prove racial motive or disprove a misinterpretation of what he was doing there.

'We don't have any real proof yet but its definitely a racist committing a hate crime' is a bullshit tactic that is used way too often these days.
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