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Nov 24 2017 06:13pm
Quote (JohnMiller92 @ Nov 24 2017 04:02am)
Yearly reminder that this happened

http://i.imgur.com/IbpwztR.gif

:lol: :rofl: :drool:





WoOt a president no one will mess with. :D

He should do that to Kim Jong.
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Nov 25 2017 12:30pm
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 22 2017 06:29pm)
Not a pivot. You claimed Hillary places blame on everyone but herself, I countered that she actually does accept blame in multiple interviews(and in her book), you then proceed to move the goalposts to "she doesn't blame herself often enough".

It's important to expose the double standards Trump cultists like yourself have. If the ability of a leader to accept blame and be honest about their mistakes is important to you for Hillary, why is it not important to you with Trump?


It was a pivot. We’re discussing how she puts the vast majority of the blame on everybody else, & you couldn’t help but pivot to the anti-Trump-cultist favorite buh-buh-buh-buhhhh Truuuuump!!!1 She takes some of the blame, sure, albeit it’s very marginal, while she goes on to blame men, women, poor people, rich people, President Obama, Sen. Bernard Sanders, Russia, Joe Biden, Donald Trump, James Comey, the New York Times, & sexism in her book.

Trump obviously has his flaws, & has been wrong on several facets without accepting the blame. However I can have that conversation without pathetically pivoting to Clinton.
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Nov 25 2017 12:41pm
Quote (IgoSoHard @ Nov 25 2017 01:30pm)
It was a pivot. We’re discussing how she puts the vast majority of the blame on everybody else, & you couldn’t help but pivot to the anti-Trump-cultist favorite buh-buh-buh-buhhhh Truuuuump!!!1 She takes some of the blame, sure, albeit it’s very marginal, while she goes on to blame men, women, poor people, rich people, President Obama, Sen. Bernard Sanders, Russia, Joe Biden, Donald Trump, James Comey, the New York Times, & sexism in her book.

Trump obviously has his flaws, & has been wrong on several facets without accepting the blame. However I can have that conversation without pathetically pivoting to Clinton.


No, we were discussing if Hillary had placed any blame on herself or not. You claimed she didn't, I claimed she did, you then made a different claim, which is that she didn't place enough blame on herself. The blame she placed on herself isn't enough for a Trump cultist, sure, but to a more objective person it's not surprising she's not overly critical of herself or her campaign. Russia and Comey were unprecedented factors which swayed the election, so they deserve more attention.

At some point in a discussion it's pointless to engage further. There's no objective way to determine if Hillary places enough blame on herself or not, so I brought up the legitimate point that you support a guy who won't accept blame for anything. If that triggers you, retreat to the T_D safe space.
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Nov 25 2017 01:16pm
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 25 2017 02:41pm)
No, we were discussing if Hillary had placed any blame on herself or not. You claimed she didn't, I claimed she did, you then made a different claim, which is that she didn't place enough blame on herself. The blame she placed on herself isn't enough for a Trump cultist, sure, but to a more objective person it's not surprising she's not overly critical of herself or her campaign. Russia and Comey were unprecedented factors which swayed the election, so they deserve more attention.

At some point in a discussion it's pointless to engage further. There's no objective way to determine if Hillary places enough blame on herself or not, so I brought up the legitimate point that you support a guy who won't accept blame for anything. If that triggers you, retreat to the T_D safe space.


That one always gives me a lol. If you keep turning the volume up to eleven over stupid shit where it isn't warranted, you're going to trash whats left of your credibility.
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Nov 25 2017 01:23pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Nov 25 2017 02:16pm)
That one always gives me a lol. If you keep turning the volume up to eleven over stupid shit where it isn't warranted, you're going to trash whats left of your credibility.


I'm no historian, I may be wrong. Where in modern US history can we find something similar?
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Nov 25 2017 01:55pm
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 25 2017 01:41pm)
No, we were discussing if Hillary had placed any blame on herself or not. You claimed she didn't, I claimed she did, you then made a different claim, which is that she didn't place enough blame on herself. The blame she placed on herself isn't enough for a Trump cultist, sure, but to a more objective person it's not surprising she's not overly critical of herself or her campaign. Russia and Comey were unprecedented factors which swayed the election, so they deserve more attention.

At some point in a discussion it's pointless to engage further. There's no objective way to determine if Hillary places enough blame on herself or not, so I brought up the legitimate point that you support a guy who won't accept blame for anything. If that triggers you, retreat to the T_D safe space.


It’s not surprising that you aren’t surprised that she’s not overly critical of herself or her campaign, no. Russia & comey were factors, yeah, so was Hillary & her campaign. She wasn’t likeable, she alienated half the country & didn’t campaign in key areas. Those were her & her campaigns decision. Instead of owning that she has a list of 15+ other things she blames, which was not only my point, but a fact. It’s more convenient to cry about Trump & Russia though, I get it.

If you’re not witty enough to come up with something else, that’s fine, but the regurgitating of the “cultist” & “T_D”
is getting a bit stale.
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Nov 25 2017 02:12pm
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 25 2017 03:23pm)
I'm no historian, I may be wrong. Where in modern US history can we find something similar?


Nixon made an under wraps deal with Ho Chi Minh to crush Lyndon B. Johnson's popularity and help win the 1972 election

Obama green lighted the IRS to target conservative groups and help win the 2012 election

Andrew Jackson lost his first presidential race after the HoR chose the less popular candidate due to a non-majority in the vote.
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Nov 25 2017 02:16pm
Quote (IgoSoHard @ 25 Nov 2017 15:55)
It’s not surprising that you aren’t surprised that she’s not overly critical of herself or her campaign, no. Russia & comey were factors, yeah, so was Hillary & her campaign. She wasn’t likeable, she alienated half the country & didn’t campaign in key areas. Those were her & her campaigns decision. Instead of owning that she has a list of 15+ other things she blames, which was not only my point, but a fact. It’s more convenient to cry about Trump & Russia though, I get it.

If you’re not witty enough to come up with something else, that’s fine, but the regurgitating of the “cultist” & “T_D”
is getting a bit stale
.

hes a snarky privileged lefty liberal, from his own admission. its all people like that have. and theyre oblivious as to why events happen they way they do
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Nov 25 2017 02:18pm
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 25 2017 03:23pm)
I'm no historian, I may be wrong.


And finally you admit it... one year later...
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Nov 25 2017 06:44pm
Quote (IgoSoHard @ Nov 25 2017 02:55pm)
It’s not surprising that you aren’t surprised that she’s not overly critical of herself or her campaign, no. Russia & comey were factors, yeah, so was Hillary & her campaign. She wasn’t likeable, she alienated half the country & didn’t campaign in key areas. Those were her & her campaigns decision. Instead of owning that she has a list of 15+ other things she blames, which was not only my point, but a fact. It’s more convenient to cry about Trump & Russia though, I get it.

If you’re not witty enough to come up with something else, that’s fine, but the regurgitating of the “cultist” & “T_D”
is getting a bit stale.


It was her decision to not be likable and alienate half the country? Apart from her deplorables comment, Hillary's rhetoric was much more inclusive than Trump's.

You're just saying the same thing over and over. We get it, you don't think Hillary blames herself enough.

I'll continue to call you guys cultists until you get bored of trolling after Trump loses in 2020. If it's getting stale, stop being a cultist.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Nov 25 2017 03:12pm)
Nixon made an under wraps deal with Ho Chi Minh to crush Lyndon B. Johnson's popularity and help win the 1972 election

Obama green lighted the IRS to target conservative groups and help win the 2012 election

Andrew Jackson lost his first presidential race after the HoR chose the less popular candidate due to a non-majority in the vote.


Uh... okay? How do those instances show that the Russia and Comey interference weren't unprecedented? Has a foreign power intervened in our election to the extent Russia did in 2016? Has the FBI director made damaging public statements in regards to one of the major candidates in the final months of a race?

Lol @ the IRS scandal.
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