Supposedly Obama put the DNC under a literal shitstorm of debt.

Meanwhile the RNC is hitting all kinds of fundraising records

So you only want to hold leaders accountable if they set the standards for themselves? How does that make any sense?

Hillary is just being honest. Comey and Russia are unique outside factors which swayed the election. It would be silly of her to not emphasize those things. Again, you people hear what you want to hear. Go read her book, go listen to an entire interview(not some conservative cut up video of it).



Seems like an issue Trump should focus on right now.

This post was edited by IceMage on Nov 23 2017 04:11am

no, its you who doesnt want to listen. as I already explained: it was a very tight election, tight enough that something like 20 different things swung the election in one direction or the other by a large enough margin to change the outcome. blaming exactly the two high-profile issues that are not her fault is dishonest when there are 18 or more mistakes that she made and that one could just as well blame for the lost election.

it was her decision or that of her campaign to make this election about trumps unfitness to serve, to pick a VP candidate who didnt help her one bit, to not campaign in the midwestern states that ultimately swung the election to trump, to campaign in strategically unwise states like ohio, arizona or north carolina, to bet on a repeat of the obama coalition even though hillary clearly was not obama, to play it safe during the 2nd presidential debate where trump was gravely wounded by the access hollywood tape, close to a meltdown and ripe for the killing blow, to pander to latinos even though it was obvious that latino turnout wouldnt help her in the electoral college. it was clinton who couldnt find an inspiring message, who was unable to give voters a compelling reason to vote for her. it was her who was unable to really connect to the majority of the democratic base, who was more out of touch with common people than a billionaire real estate mogul who was born and raised with a golden spoon. it was clinton and her corrupt network in the DNC that robbed Bernie out of the nomination and thus soured the progressive wing of her own party and base, even though she would have defeated him even without those dirty moves anyway. it was her close confidant huma abedin sticking by a rotten perv who was sending dick picks to underage girls that ultimately enabled comey to reopen the investigation against her. it was clinton and her staff who violated laws by running a private email-server and who illegally deleted those mails despite a subpoena. the russians hacked their mails, but the repulsive things voters could see and read in there were still the conversations and opinions of clinton and her inner circle.

the entire clinton campaign is a gigantic pile of epic failure upon epic failure. she made over a dozen big mistakes on the campaign. she went into this campaign with an enormous structural advantage against a wonky and subpar opponent and it took a large series of mistakes to blow it. blaming everything on russia/comey, i.e. outside factors, is simply ridiculous considering that 90% of the string of mishaps that it took her to lose the election is her fault.

The point is that Comey and Russia are unique outside factors. Like unprecedented in modern history. So those seem most relevant to me, but of course there's a myriad of other factors where Hillary does deserve blame, and she talks about them in her book.

Hindsight is 20/20. Hillary couldn't see into the future... her campaign made strategic decisions based on polling. If the internal polling is telling her campaign that Michigan and Wisconsin are locks, and she's leading or competitive in AZ/OH/NC, it would be a mistake for her to try not to win those states.

Even with the DNC shenanigans I think Hillary still would've won the nomination. Donna Brazile believes that as well.

Many of your points are correct, and she talks about some of them in the book and in interviews. Anyone who runs for president isn't going to be overly critical of themselves or their campaign. I can only imagine what Trump would've said if he had lost... my guess is he wouldn't accept any responsibility. But that's okay with you, because he never claimed not to be a crazed narcissist?

I would of course be blaming trump if candidate trump had lost.

and while it's correct that comey and russia are unprecedented in modern history, so is the access hollywood tape. and equally unprecedented is also the degree to which the media and the cultural, intellectual and political elites were united behind one candidate, clinton.

Do have to remind you that what the russians agents were able to produce as posts/troll accounts was so faked and falsified stuff it would never be allowed to be broacasted on ads ? So this and the 3 millions living in cities and then having less vote power.






Too bad for Bernie. It's too late for U.S anyway, and now the only question im asking to myself is "Wich one was the worse threat for Europe ? (regardless union)"

Yearly reminder that this happened





This post was edited by JohnMiller92 on Nov 24 2017 03:02am

first wwe hall of famer to become president. and somehow I have this nagging feeling that he wont be the last one.

#rock2020 or #rock2024

and this is america, we all know that he would get elected XD

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 24 2017 05:46pm

oh ffs