right. i guess if we forget about the west bank and the golan heights these alternative facts would have some weight.

oh wow, who is invading the US? oh i wonder what happened to the indians. how dare they attack those pesky europeans, better kill them all. they fucked around as you so aptly put it, and they found out. you must be very proud.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 6 2025 03:00pm

Yeah, well as you pointed out most of that was done by Europeans literally before the American national identity existed. But it continued, and was a war for a long time that to be fair the plains tribes were winning by brutal tactics for hundreds of years.

Israel has already proven it does not seek to keep conquered land: it captured the Sinai Peninsula in 1967 and returned it to Egypt under the 1979 peace treaty, fully completed in 1982, even though Sinai is larger than Israel itself. As for the West Bank (Judea and Samaria), it was taken in 1967 from Jordan and has remained under Israeli control since then. Israelis settling there are not “stealing” new territory: they are living in areas that have been under Israeli administration for decades and that hold deep historical and biblical significance for the Jewish people.

There is NO WAY that Israel will return lands from the west bank. by all evidence, factors and metric's, israel continues to claim more and more land in the west bank.

1. Since Oct 7th at least 114 new Israeli settlement outposts have been established in the West Bank.
2. Over 38,000 “violations” (in terms of army and settler activity against Palestinian property/persons) have been documented in the West Bank since 7 Oct 2023.
3. The Israeli planning authorities submitted 355 master plans covering 37,415 settlement units on 38,551 dunams of land; of these, 18,801 units have already been approved.
4. In early 2025, the Israeli government approved the creation of 22 new settlements, including legalising existing outposts that had not been formally authorised.
5. By June 2025, a report states that approximately 18,959 new settlement housing units had been approved in the West Bank in 2025 so far.
6. On 5 November 2025, tenders were issued for the construction of 356 new settler units in the West Bank.
7. Alongside housing, Israel has also expanded infrastructure: creation of buffer zones, new roads and gates/ barriers isolating Palestinian communities; one report says over 1,200 military-barrier installations have been created since the war.
8. Legal/administrative changes: the approval process for settlement construction has been streamlined (weekly meetings of planning council vs quarterly), and ministerial oversight has been reduced — this is viewed as structural change to accelerate expansion.

you are literally carving the west bank up and gobbling up the small pieces.



you might want to go read a history book.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 6 2025 03:15pm

Israel already showed it can give up land for peace. It captured the Sinai Peninsula in 1967, held it for years, and then gave it back entirely to Egypt. Sinai alone is bigger than all of Israel, so the claim that Israel only expands doesn’t hold up.
The West Bank, or Judea and Samaria, was taken in 1967 from Jordan during a defensive war. Israel didn’t take it from a Palestinian state because there wasn’t one. Since then, the area has stayed under Israeli control, and most new construction happens inside existing communities or regularizes small outposts that have been there for years.
The new roads, gates, and barriers people mention are mainly about security. After thousands of attacks since October 7, protecting civilians is not “land grabbing.”
Israel hasn’t taken new territory since 1967. What happens now is management of land it already controls, while the political future of that land is still open for negotiation.

sigh.

do you honestly expect to withdraw from the west bank. a. yes or b. no? 1 letter answer.

Actually:

a. yes
b. no
c. We already own the west bank so everything we do there is not claiming new land.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 6 2025 03:18pm

No
After what happened with Gaza, Israel will not withdraw from the West Bank. Leaving areas without security control led to rockets, tunnels, and constant attacks, nobody will risk that again so close to Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.
In the future, if a real peace agreement ever becomes possible, territorial compromises could happen in other forms, maybe through land swaps or different landmass in southern Israel. But that would only come with full security guarantees and a real partner for peace, not under pressure or threats.

thanks for the refresher, ive read all of this but im no expert. still, in this context i think it doesnt matter. islamic people hold the city and those sites, as well as that weird one for the horse, as holy. israel can try telling them that they cant prove its the real site of the night journey, but it doesnt matter. as long as israel continues to settle in a city they consider holy peace wont be a realistic option. just as you said resettlement of gazans isnt realistic. pragmatism matters.



historians cant even agree that japan surrendered because of the bombs. its more likely, in my and many expert's opinions, a show of force to the rest of the world. even though it actually just made everyone else want nukes. japan was beaten, encircled, and most likely ready to surrender. we could have even blockaded them into surrender most likely without an invasion.

I'm giving Trump credit for negotiating a 9th ceasefire in yet another war the media hasn't acknowledged:
https://x.com/Kurrco/status/1986500448035934561
Does Trump have anything to do with this? Fuck if I know, but I'm giving him credit anyway

This post was edited by Goomshill on Nov 6 2025 03:29pm