so this is an interesting place for me to ask, from an american perspective you seem to have just about all of the same views with regards to Gaza as what they say. just my impression. so how do you differ? do you think israel should ever take over gaza? should west bank settlements stop? should all of gaza have its people relocated?

not leading questions, genuinely curious.

Sounds like you are looking for someone to do that.
Sorry buddy

My perspective is shaped less by ideology and more by what we’ve learned from experience.
When Israel left Gaza, many including myself hoped it would be a step toward peace and Palestinian self-governance. What actually happened was that Hamas took over, turned Gaza into a military fortress, and used its population as human shields while attacking Israel. That reality changed everything.
So today, I don’t believe Israel wants to “take over” Gaza again in the classic sense, but it can’t allow a terror state next door. Israel needs security control until there’s a responsible authority that won’t wage war.
As for West Bank settlements, stopping them only makes sense if there’s a credible partner for peace, and right now there isn’t. Pulling back unilaterally, as Gaza proved, creates a power vacuum that extremists fill.
And about “relocating” Gazans, no, I don’t think collective expulsion is moral or realistic. The goal shouldn’t be to move people but to remove Hamas (yes it's painfull) and give ordinary Gazans a chance at normal life, ideally under regional or international civilian administration until they can govern responsibly.

I’ve been looking back at the posts from October 7th, and even as our people were being murdered maimed and raped, the blame was already being placed on us - sickening

This post was edited by Many_Names on Nov 6 2025 02:04pm

if you look for something that you have already convinced yourself of, you will always find it. Ultimately, Hamas carried out a raid on Israel, with a figure of approx 1200 dying, which you call attempted genocide. in response Israel carried out a war on an entire population of 2.2 million people. Israel is one of the most advanced nations on the world, and it decided to travel this road. we are where we are and there is zero chance of that peace deal holding.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 6 2025 02:23pm

i'd make 1 point in response, and earnestly thanks for laying it out. the rest i understand your perspective



is it even possible one can or will emerge with settlement's continuing? imagine the USA continues to take mexican territory 1 block at a time, then tells mexico we wont stop until they're not mad about it anymore.

settlement policy is arguably a worse blunder than gaza, and that's truly saying something. its just an entirely unnecessary policy that continues to make peace impossible, and that's by design in my opinion. the israeli far right hates the idea of a free west bank neighbor. i dont think they'll ever allow it, arafat truly fucked it all up.

imagine saying war is over, and in the same breath saying "and we will take more land, today, tomorrow, every week, month and year, until we take it all, and that this is not a reason to be angry or seek to retaliate. i mean, your barbarians right? so forget about equal rights and all that stuff, it does not apply to inferior people. oh and while we are at it, we will BBQ your kid just like we did in the west bank back in 2015, nevermind what we do in gaza, haha you cant stop us. so to put that another way:

The europeans invade the united states. they steal the land from the indians. They sign "peace deals", and then proceed to steal more and more land and carry out killings until there are no indians left. "sorry its our policy, you cant do anything about it so suck it up haha".

also, with brevity, while multiple countries have spoken about the west bank as a red line, its generally accepted that no one will interfere and israel will be allowed to continue to ethnically cleanse the west bank. should take about 10 years by most estimates at which point the two state solution will be well and truly dead (well to my mind its already dead but the "experts" who i have no faith in btw, seem to think there is still a chance of a 2 state solution. total bullshit.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 6 2025 02:39pm

we did that in Yamit - Sinai Peninsula and Gaza and I dont see why not, we simply do not have partner who do not want to murder us all

are Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock in those places? that's why.

Jerusalem is out of the question, Jerusalem have no significance in Islam.

This post was edited by Many_Names on Nov 6 2025 02:41pm