Quote (IceMage @ Nov 23 2019 06:42am)

I read that he also called Trump an authoritarian, a terrible human being, a fucking moron, an idiot, etc.

Wait, nevermind, that was Pompeo, Mulvaney, Tillerson, and Kelly. My mistake.

Quote (Landmine @ Nov 23 2019 09:16am)

Which isn't relevant in anway to what you quoted.

Quote (IceMage @ Nov 23 2019 10:04am)

I think it is.

If even those closest to Trump expressed harsh views towards him at some point, then it sort of takes the wind out of the sails of the "anti-Trump" label. It essentially makes the label irrelevant.

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The secretary of the Navy and the admiral who leads the SEALs have threatened to resign or be fired if plans to expel a commando from the elite unit in a war crimes case are halted by President Trump, administration officials said Saturday.

The Navy is proceeding with the disciplinary plans against the commando, Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher, who counts Mr. Trump as one of his most vocal supporters. After reversing a demotion in recent days, the president suggested on Thursday that he would intervene again in the case, saying that the sailor should remain in the unit.

The threats by the Navy secretary, Richard V. Spencer, and the commander, Rear Adm. Collin Green, are a rare instance of pushback against Mr. Trump from members of the Defense Department. Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper and Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, scrambled to come up with a face-saving compromise this past week in the hope that Mr. Trump could be persuaded to change his mind.

On Thursday, Mr. Trump, referring to the pin that signifies membership in an elite force, said on Twitter that “The Navy will NOT be taking away Warfighter and Navy Seal Eddie Gallagher’s Trident Pin.” He added: “This case was handled very badly from the beginning. Get back to business!”

One argument that officials said may be relied on is the assumption that a tweet does not constitute a formal presidential order. Mr. Esper and General Milley conveyed to the president that if he followed up that tweet with a direct order, there would be huge consequences: Mr. Trump would lose Mr. Spencer and Admiral Green, further infuriate his top military leadership and do untold damage to decades of military justice doctrine, according to administration officials.

Quote (IceMage @ Nov 23 2019 02:42pm)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/23/us/politics/navy-discipline-edward-gallagher.html



Not a day goes by where there's not an example of Trump's horrible leadership. When you're intervening to help war criminals and the Navy Secretary and top Seal are threatening to resign, I don't see how that's consistent with supporting the troops.

Quote (Ghot @ Nov 23 2019 02:56pm)

Were you in the service?

Quote (IceMage @ Nov 23 2019 09:04am)

I think it is.

If even those closest to Trump expressed harsh views towards him at some point, then it sort of takes the wind out of the sails of the "anti-Trump" label. It essentially makes the label irrelevant.

Quote (Goomshill @ 23 Nov 2019 17:42)

Robert Mueller fired him after he texts came out

Quote (IceMage @ Nov 23 2019 02:42pm)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/23/us/politics/navy-discipline-edward-gallagher.html



Not a day goes by where there's not an example of Trump's horrible leadership. When you're intervening to help war criminals and the Navy Secretary and top Seal are threatening to resign, I don't see how that's consistent with supporting the troops.

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HALIFAX, Nova Scotia (Reuters) - The U.S. Navy Secretary said on Saturday he did not threaten to resign amid a disagreement with President Donald Trump over whether a Navy SEAL convicted of battlefield misconduct should face a board of peers who may oust him from the elite force.

“There seem to be rumors out there that I threatened to resign. I have not threatened to resign,” Spencer told reporters at a security conference in Halifax. The New York Times reported earlier on Saturday that Spencer had threatened to quit if Trump subverted the process.

Spencer said Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher should face a board of peers because “the process matters for good order and discipline,” Reuters reported on Friday.

Quote (IceMage @ Nov 23 2019 02:42pm)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/23/us/politics/navy-discipline-edward-gallagher.html



Not a day goes by where there's not an example of Trump's horrible leadership. When you're intervening to help war criminals and the Navy Secretary and top Seal are threatening to resign, I don't see how that's consistent with supporting the troops.