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Nov 11 2017 12:51pm
Quote (Hood_Nigga @ Nov 11 2017 11:48am)
And you are? Stfu and let trump be trump , you opinion literally means less then the uber drivers opinion.


descendant of joseph, vob gobbels something something :lol: ask excellence I forgot

This post was edited by JohnMiller92 on Nov 11 2017 12:51pm
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Nov 11 2017 01:04pm
Greatest president god ever created, my 401k has doubled since trump took office, vs 3% Obama

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Nov 11 2017 01:36pm
Quote (fender @ 11 Nov 2017 19:32)
that is (yet again) some kellyanne conway worthy, "alternative facts" level spin. also, it's quite revealing that lying to the american public about trusting the russian president over his intelligence agencies is the best possible spin here...


One of the firsts rules in kgb is to always deny /reject.
Trump will hardly admit the russian troll factory & hackers put him in charge.
Its bad for him, but even worse for the reputation of his country.
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Nov 11 2017 03:20pm
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Or you know, it's just an advantageous PR statement? If he says " No i don't believe him" that implies that he won the election with Russia's help which would be bad PR.

Are you ever able to think about Trump in more than one dimension?


Please never become a PR person. You want to see some good PR? Let's see Trump come out with a statement that any other president would give, one where he's critical of Putin and Russia for meddling in our election. The Trump cult will be with him no matter what he does, if he wants approval ratings in the 40's, he should start listening to IceMage.

Are you ever able to think outside of the US politics bubble? If Trump is going into some kind of negotiation with Putin, why not hold the election meddling over his head? Why let Putin off the hook?

Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 11 2017 12:16pm)
seems like the scenario consistent with the descriptions is that Trump briefly asked about it, Putin denied it, they left it there and discussed other things instead


Maybe a failure of language. If there was any discussion(this means words exchanged) about Russia meddling in our election, the Russian press secretary should've said yes.

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Nov 11 2017 05:14pm
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 11 2017 02:20pm)
Please never become a PR person. You want to see some good PR? Let's see Trump come out with a statement that any other president would give, one where he's critical of Putin and Russia for meddling in our election. The Trump cult will be with him no matter what he does, if he wants approval ratings in the 40's, he should start listening to IceMage.

Are you ever able to think outside of the US politics bubble? If Trump is going into some kind of negotiation with Putin, why not hold the election meddling over his head? Why let Putin off the hook.


Being critical of Russia meddling would yield nothing. In reality It would mar Trumps victory. It’s essentially acknowledging that hey guys, they meddled and maybe I️ won because they meddled. It’s absolutely retarded to admit I‎t even if I‎t happened and even if he knew about or conspired with Russia to do so. If he did this then the logical progression would be for some to challenge his win on legal grounds and try to take away the win based on that meddling. You have really bad common sense bro.

You have a child’s understanding of how international politics work. Putin is not “on the hook” for this, and Trump has zero leverage over Putin over this alleged meddling. We’ve been hacking, interfering, spying for decades on anyone and everyone, even our citizens & allies. Now we got a taste of our own medicine and everyone is up in arms.

And let’s just clear the air on what this “meddling” is. I‎t exposed the corrupt DNC and how the primary was rigged. As a US citizen idgaf if it’s Russia or North Korea or whomever else that exposes corruption in our country. I️ don’t care what their motives are what I️ care about is knowing the truth, in this case the fact that the DNC was corrupt and rightfully exposed.

Edit: the story here should be how one of our two political parties was caught red handed in corruption, instead the story is how a foreign country exposed this corruption. Truly a sad day for democracy in America.

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Nov 11 2017 05:33pm
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Being critical of Russia meddling would yield nothing. In reality It would mar Trumps victory. It’s essentially acknowledging that hey guys, they meddled and maybe I️ won because they meddled. It’s absolutely retarded to admit I‎t even if I‎t happened and even if he knew about or conspired with Russia to do so. If he did this then the logical progression would be for some to challenge his win on legal grounds and try to take away the win based on that meddling. You have really bad common sense bro.

You have a child’s understanding of how international politics work. Putin is not “on the hook” for this, and Trump has zero leverage over Putin over this alleged meddling. We’ve been hacking, interfering, spying for decades on anyone and everyone, even our citizens & allies. Now we got a taste of our own medicine and everyone is up in arms.

And let’s just clear the air on what this “meddling” is. I‎t exposed the corrupt DNC and how the primary was rigged. As a US citizen idgaf if it’s Russia or North Korea or whomever else that exposes corruption in our country. I️ don’t care what their motives are what I️ care about is knowing the truth, in this case the fact that the DNC was corrupt and rightfully exposed.


Now you are making the same argument that liberals make, which is that the Russian meddling changed the outcome of the election. It may have, it may not have, it's not really relevant at this point. The idea that Trump acknowledging the Russian meddling will bring forth some legal challenge which will overturn the election is nonsensical.

Trump is president now... he should put his fragile ego aside and do what's best for the country. Putin is on the hook for the election meddling, that's why congress passed new sanctions against Russia. Whether the president believes Putin or not, reasonable people in Washington are going to hold Russia accountable.

Again, you simply aren't willing to acknowledge the difference between what the Russians did in 2016 and what every nation does in regards to spying or interfering in another country's affairs. The Russian interference wasn't limited to hacking emails.

I have a hard time understanding where you're coming from. You claim to want the US and Russia to have better relations... yet you applaud when they interfere in our election. That interference has just made US-Russia relations worse... and if they do it again in 2020, the relationship will continue to decline.

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Nov 11 2017 06:06pm
so Trump is accusing the Russia investigation being by democrats, but Robert Mueller was hired and he's a republican
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Nov 11 2017 06:34pm
oh come on, its so obvious that trump is never gonna acknowledge russian meddling with the election because it would make him extremely vulnerable.

democrats would run an ad over and over in 2020 with the sample and dub it "even trump himself acknowledges the russians put him in office. end this now, vote for Kamala Harris". or something like that.

the whole issue is already incredibly toxic for trump anyway. acknowledging it personally would just make things worse for him.

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Nov 11 2017 06:49pm
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Now you are making the same argument that liberals make, which is that the Russian meddling changed the outcome of the election. It may have, it may not have, it's not really relevant at this point. The idea that Trump acknowledging the Russian meddling will bring forth some legal challenge which will overturn the election is nonsensical.

Trump is president now... he should put his fragile ego aside and do what's best for the country. Putin is on the hook for the election meddling, that's why congress passed new sanctions against Russia. Whether the president believes Putin or not, reasonable people in Washington are going to hold Russia accountable.

Again, you simply aren't willing to acknowledge the difference between what the Russians did in 2016 and what every nation does in regards to spying or interfering in another country's affairs. The Russian interference wasn't limited to hacking emails.

I have a hard time understanding where you're coming from. You claim to want the US and Russia to have better relations... yet you applaud when they interfere in our election. That interference has just made US-Russia relations worse... and if they do it again in 2020, the relationship will continue to decline.


Yes i applaud any country that exposes corruption in my country. US-Russia relations weren't good to begin with, they did not get worst because Russia exposed the DNC. Hillary winning would of meant infinitely worse relations. We would have been propping the Ukrainians for a war with Russia over the Donbass and war would still be raging on in Syria, categorically worse relations than they are today.

What precisely is the difference between what Russia did and what we've been doing for 70 years?

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Nov 11 2017 06:50pm
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Nov 11 2017 07:04pm
"When will all the haters and fools out there realize that having a good relationship with Russia is a good thing, not a bad thing. There always playing politics - bad for our country. I want to solve North Korea, Syria, Ukraine, terrorism, and Russia can greatly help!" -Donald Trump 45m
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